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 Post subject: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:53 am 
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Robert Walls

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So much spew earlier on in the year about our fab four. Well, the critics got it all wrong and here is my take on it............... Melvey's fabulous fourtet

Mike Fitzpatrick - President

Greg Swan - CEO

Worsfold/Roos/Williams - Senior coach

Chris Judd - Captain


This fourtet will lead the club to success and beyond....... Come Jeannie make it happen!


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 Post subject: Re: The new fab four?
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:23 am 
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Interesting choice of coaches there. Williams is such a controlling figure that if brought in you are essentially handing over the keys to the club. He's a modern day Sheedy who runs everything, so you'd want to be really sure that you agree with his methodology and dare I say - structures. I know everyone believes Ratten's appointment circumvented 'process' and therefore wasn't researched or informed enough, well sigining Choco would probably be argued better than 'whadabout 2004!?' His personaility divides players and in a club that lacks leadership and has a nasty culture of questioning the authority of the coach, you'd have to say he'd be a risk.

Then there's Woosha, I'm not sure his coaching career has done a lot to promote him honestly. It seems like an advertisment for no cattle no success. From a gameplan point of view I can't see him doing a whole lot differently with our list, maybe Waite from CHB to CHF in the 3rd quarter.

Roos is an interesting one, successful yes, likeable yes, but again is stuck completely in a gameplan that ultimately effects not just the way the players play, but also how a list is structured. For Roos it's about stoppages, suffocating and stopping the opposition run, we know it can work, we've seen Sydney's success. But you have to ask how does this apply to our list? Trim the fat, get rid of the guys who don't fit into the plan: no Houla, retire Stevens, trade Thornton. If there's a hole in the list bring in a 29 year old who's on the outs at another club. Shane Tuck isn't guarenteed of a game at the Tiges anymore, second rounder for him. The draft is now about guys who can execute the game plan, we've previously filled our list with 6'2 runners but now it's about Nick Suban, Mitch Farmer and Robbie Gray. 3 years down the track we've turned Murphy Judd and Gibbs into blue collar workers and we have a list that is half way between Roosie's stocky tackle midgets and Hughesie's running flankers, and our average 65 points a game means we've had our FTA coverage cut in half. This is not to say that this system wont bring success, but it'll be on the back of some big changes that will take plenty of time to implement, but as Carlton supporters we're good at patience.

Now I understand that it's not just about giving a coach his head so you can see his plans fully implemented, Richmond would have been better off if they sacked Wallace after 2 years, there'd be less McMahon and JON types and players would have more of a clue about defensive pressure. But if you analyse what Ratten is doing to the list and the way we play, you'll see he's basically doing what people have been calling for through the Pagan years. His first 2 drafts have seen footballers with as few flaws as possible brought in. You take 08 and every player drafted would be described as certain AFL right up to Tiller who was an development option. In 07 there were far more exciting options than Browne left on the board but none of them more certain at forging a position than Browne. All of them can kick, and with the exception of Yarran - who was reknowned for his extraordinary skill level - all of them would have intensity and courage under their list of attributes. People have bemoaned our lack of forward options, we brought in Yarran and all of a sudden we needed a midfielder in Rich. Waite has been given more time up front, Stevens taken out of the guts, Carrazzo out of the guts, Gibbs in the Guts, Houla away from the backline and even out of the side, Fev pushing up to create more space in the forward line, Kruezer resting forward... all of these things have been implemented and I've been reading about them for years on here. Fact is the list isn't complete, it isn't hard enough, there are still plenty of passengers and there's still a void in the senior leadership ranks. The inconsistency throughout games means the gameplan is flickering in and out, but the players believe it enough to want to follow it, they just aren't executing it well enough yet. It's going to take time, and it's going to take time for Murphy and Gibbs to step into leadership positions.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:44 am 
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Fitzpatrick isnt interested in being President and Roos isn't interested in coaching.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:14 pm 
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*edit*. Williams is a complete @#$%&! wit.

Bring Williams to this club and watch its demise.

I have supported this club for 38 years but if we bring that fool to this club I will not watch another game until he is gone.


Last edited by bluechucky on Sun May 24, 2009 5:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:01 pm 
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Didn't catch any TV today Melvey? (Port were pretty bad today). I don't mind Mark Williams...I think he has a lot to offer the AFL as a consultant post Port coach, but not as coach of Carlton. Paul and Tami Roos are not coming to Melbourne any time soon. Next move will probably be to the States. John Worsfold is welcome back any time as far as I'm concerned....as an senior assistant/defensive coach on the proviso he brings Josh Kennedy with him.

If I were to list the reasons Mike Fitzpatrick will never be President you wouldn't believe me and it would take forever. I reckon Swanny as CEO and Judd as Captain are good calls though. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:21 pm 
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To Blu944 - thanks for a genuine, honest and inciteful view of our status as a 'potential' powerful football club. We have a young list who have the capacity to learn,adapt, implement strategies etc -they will move in and out of competencies until a level of maturity is reached which allows them all to act first and think later. I think there are many supporters whose expectations are over the top for such a young group - when maturity happens -when there is a change or two to the list - then we will see results that we all hope for and a level of consistency that will, once again, excite us all.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:48 am 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Didn't catch any TV today Melvey? (Port were pretty bad today). I don't mind Mark Williams...I think he has a lot to offer the AFL as a consultant post Port coach, but not as coach of Carlton. Paul and Tami Roos are not coming to Melbourne any time soon. Next move will probably be to the States. John Worsfold is welcome back any time as far as I'm concerned....as an senior assistant/defensive coach on the proviso he brings Josh Kennedy with him.

If I were to list the reasons Mike Fitzpatrick will never be President you wouldn't believe me and it would take forever. I reckon Swanny as CEO and Judd as Captain are good calls though. :wink:



Williams has been at Port too long .. desnt mean he cant coach.
Everyone has a used by date as club coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:56 am 
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At Carlton it is as soon as they lose thier first game, unless we are tanking of course, then its as soon as we win a game.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:06 am 
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The missing pieces to the puzzle are a president and coach.

This club needs a strong figure leading the club and i don't mean one thats going to shoot his mouth of in the media, a president that is going to lead this club to great success without handouts.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:34 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
If I were to list the reasons Mike Fitzpatrick will never be President you wouldn't believe me and it would take forever.

I suspect I know what you're talking about, but can you really blame him?

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:13 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
At Carlton it is as soon as they lose thier first game, unless we are tanking of course, then its as soon as we win a game.


:lol: :lol:

On the one hand its good to see supporters expectations of what Carlton is about havent changed on the other we are still in a rebuilding phase, not a Pagan rebuilding phase, but a real one. Winning more games than losing this season will be a sign of improvement, so we have to be patient. There is no way we are a top 4 side. No way. Not with our reliance on so many inexperienced youngsters.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:24 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
If I were to list the reasons Mike Fitzpatrick will never be President you wouldn't believe me and it would take forever.

I suspect I know what you're talking about, but can you really blame him?


Please share...by PM if you like. I can keep a secret :smoking:


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Fitzpatrick
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:26 pm 
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aramari wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
If I were to list the reasons Mike Fitzpatrick will never be President you wouldn't believe me and it would take forever.

I suspect I know what you're talking about, but can you really blame him?


Please share...by PM if you like. I can keep a secret :smoking:

It's not something I'll be sharing any time soon

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