Yep until we get this shit losing mentality out of the club and some fans we will remain in the bottom 8

Be critical of the team fair enough but thats just shameful from a carlton fan

I think the 'drop army' and 'drop JR' campaigns are totally separate.

I think Army should play next week without doubt, but JR has had countless sub-par games over the last 2 year that would have seen him dropped to VFL at any other club. If Ratts is really serious about being regarded as a potential premiership coach, and not just one-of-the-boys with his mates rates and stagnation, he would drop JR to prove a point.

But he won't drop JR, and he won't ever make changes to a winning team (even if it was a soft win and different personnel are needed), and he won't drop wiggins, and he won't make the hard decisions, and I am starting to lose the (slim) faith that he will be our next premiership coach.

i don't want a 5 year soft-option terry wallace situation at carlton. if we don't make the 8 he should be fired regardless of the financial cost.
it's been 14 years.
we don't have time to flower around.

ratten and the players need to lift.

Should have never of traded him. Its my opinion. Read my other posts about it

We bang on about Judd and yet other teams that he rejected will and look likely to leap frog us in a year or so. The Bombers and Melbourne will be gun sides without a Judd

Agree with this thinking. Would only add Setanta as he is tall and versatile in terms of maintaining team structure. He will have good and bad days but he is always pumped up and does add some x factor as well. Not sure who I would want to omit though.

Anderson v Armfield is a difficult one. Like Army's dash. Can't help thinking that players like these need good targets presenting up forward.

Expect that my thinking will change after the Ants game, but right now:

Out: Waite (inj), Wiggins, Russell.

In: O hAilpin, Grigg, Garlett.

Hadley under a bit of pressure (think he is not being played to advantage) and will be more so if several Ants have a good game.

It would be...from a Carlton fan

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Ok this is what I want to happen (barring the Waite injury which is going to happen in either case):


Out: Waite (Inj), Hadley, Russell, Wiggins

In: Hartlett, Houlihan, Scotland, Setanta

What will probably happen:

Out: Waite (Inj), Hadley

In: Setanta, Scotland

Russell will mysteriously keep his spot even though he looks to be a mediocre VFL player at best. If he plays he will probably have an ok game (meaning his opponent either imaginary or real doesn't do much damage to us) and he only does 3-4 glaring errors, evened out by a top mark or flukey goal.

Wiggins will keep his spot for reasons, well I don't really know but he is a favored son. Though I love the way he goes about his footy, I am pragmatic enough to realize he is not up to it and this should be the end.

Unless I have missed something but didn't West Coast want JK and not simply a player Carlton said, 'here you can have him'.

Should never have traded him would quite conceivably meant that we would not have gotten Judd. So the point is moot.

JK is a loss and most would have rather kept him, but that couldn't be.

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It was gonna be Bower or JK

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Out: McCormick
In: French

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I think Melvey is sayind we should never had recruited Judd. He is saying that teams that didnt get him are going to be better than us.

At this stage my changes would be:

Out
- Wiggins
- Armfield
- JR
- Waite (inj)

In
- Grigg
- Scotland
- Houlihan
- Anderson/Bannister

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WHY WHY WHY? go back to players that haven't done anything before? They have been tried and failed.

I agree with the outs but Hartlett is not up to it and we are too tall in defence anyway. Houlihan is slow and average. Setanta is not even close.

Please plan for future success. Guys like Garlett, Anderson, Ellard, Grigg deserve their chance. Hopefully by the end of the year Warnock, Walker, Jacobs, Johnson, Pfieffer can be up and running and given a decent go.

Donstuie wrote "The universe has a way of restoring order amidst chaos."

Is he on the match committee? Because it sure seems like the MC are leaving it up to the universe to provide order to the chaos that is our alleged "game plan". I can understand at least most of the selections (different thing to saying I agree) but that game plan yesterday was nothing short of self-destructive. And it isn't as though we haven't seen some crap game plans from these guys before.

I'm worried about Ratts as coach. I'm worried about the assistant coaches. I'm worried about the whole damned " brains trust " - or should that be " 'brains' trust ". But to hear some of the opinions here you'd think the best thing to do would be to organise a coaching swap with Richmond right now, mid-season, and let the two clubs get rid of their dead man walking and let the incoming coach have half a season to sell himself as a viable candidate to keep the gig.

Now understand I am NOT advocating such a course (the idea of Wallet at Carlton - quelle horreur - and Ratts has a contract to honour) but the way some are going on about the MC you'd think they'd come at it. I think we have to GET REAL. Our bottom half of the team as presently taking to the park are not up to it for various reasons. Some of that can improve with time, experience, return from injury and the like. Some may never improve. Some it's to early to tell, some I think we can see already. But we need some experienced bodies or we'll be monstered even worse then we are now. We need some kids in the ones to get experience and to develop and to see if they have what it takes. We need to run Kreuzer in the ruck because of injuries, much as I'd like him as a virtual permanent forward pocket for the time being. And what that all adds up to is that this is still a development year, if we can sneak into the finals (and I think we can) so much the better.

So guys, lets suck it up, by all means ask the hard questions of the "brains trust" but let's not go overboard and start talking like they are blowing a premiership that's our for the taking.

Your bottom few play well in a structured side.

It probably doesnt matter if Ratts has an extended coaching contract or not.. cant see anyone tapping him on the shoulder... (The Bomba Thomson syndrome will be used) "Thompson was given the better part of a decade to do it...so Ratts should too"

Cant stand arguments like this because it means nothing to our very own set of circumstances.
Thats Geelongs history and legacy and it cant be superimposed onto ur very own future.

Weird mentailty some people have.

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Not sure why there are posts in here that don't relate to this game.

Please discuss the Weagles game here and the merits of Ratts' lack of structure, game plan etc and the players who have had their cards marked, elsewhere.

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Id' hate to think where we'd be without Judd.

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Look like these guys are already gunning for us ....

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... wsid=77493

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