Human nature Caz...or forum nature

For many posters their minds are made up. Ratts can't coach and the players they love to bag can't play. That is unlikely to change in a hurry if ever, because most people hate to admit they are wrong, couple that with once a negative is perceived than that is what the person is looking for. Any evidence to the contrary is just disregarded or grudgingly acknowledged.

Not that criticism is unhealthy as long as it doesn't go overboard. Our players and coach do have things to work on. As you would expect from a young coach and essentially young list.

Call me crazy I see improvement

Interesting read.

Any serious venture must have these sort of plans with realistic and clearly understood key performance indicators to measure progress. Having a development plan in place - and importantly having someone to manage it - means that it should improve (become better targeted) over time.

While pleased to hear that this is happening now at Carlton, I can't help feeling dismayed that it took so long. Often wondered in recent years just what was going on in this area. Now we know. Very little. Thank goodness we have got more professional people running the club now. Credit to Richard Pratt again no doubt.

Point being - don't take so many things personally Cazzesman. I said it was a good program - but we don't need to praise the ground that football department walks on, just because we run a solid personal development program.

but that wasn't the point caz was making which was his second point

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

You're enthusiasticlly happy and a top bloke and yet you always seem to have throw in a BS line like the last 1. Do yourself a favour. Go back through the teams that have been put out so far this year and tell us which of the young kids have been totally hard done by and missed out so far. This is not the rebuilding year. This is the year most think we should finish in the top 8 not the bottom 8. The kids will get their chance if and when the MC think they are worthy. No matter how you do the math you can't fit 30 into 22.

Regards Cazzesman

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Technically - that's wrong.... because literally that would be .73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73.73

Oh sorry - is this not the place to be silly...??

I loved it - and I love the way we're going - but I also know that's why I find us the most frustrating team at times.
Nitpicking is a great pointer to where we are, IMO, because it means people are setting high expectations (realistic or not)....


Sorry if being silly offended db... just a stupid sense of humour.....

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Just goes to show how important it is to have the resources to be able to employ development coaches and have the facilities to put a good structure in place.

Anderson for one cant believe he hasnt played a game
Never rated Bentley when he was a Port. Why not play Ellard against Hawthorn
Hampson should have been brought in for Cloke a lot earlier
I would have played Armfield round one and not Johnson because he isnt good enough
We look a better team when Carlos plays but its obvious Ratten doesnt rate him

As I have said on numerous occasions Nick Stevens efforts on so many occasions have been below AFL standard

IMO the MC have got it wrong sometimes
so whats the big deal if I dont agree withe selections sometimes


Sometimes they get it right
Mitch Robinson went back to the twos to get his hands on the pill

Overall though the MC IMO have been somewhat reluctant to play some kids at the expense of some senior players

Go Cazzesman!

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Cazz, settle. You might just be getting 'grabs' of keogh's overall view. Pressuring his comments isn't going to help that.

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Totally agree budzy.

The club is coming from the back of the pack, but since Richard Pratt stepped in, slowly slowly the behind-the-scenes stuff is coming together.

These programs don't change things overnight, but the club looks like it knows where it wants to be over the next 12 months.

I'll throw my two bobs of positivity in too.

While it is true that we should expect a program such as this to be offered to our younger players, it's good to get a bit more of an insight into what our development program consists of.

The sooner we can get a physical Blueseum the better we'll be able to get new recruits to appreciate the history and success of the club, so that they may be part of the next generation of sustained success. Having a reminder for all players to see from time to time would also be a great thing.

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There's so much I could say...

Quite possibly budzy, but no need to get upset about it.


I enjoyed this comment:

The biggest problem we have is the way the seconds is set up.
A VFL side in a separate jumper doesnt work

This isnt totally Teague or the clubs fault but it causes problems never the less

1 We play on sub standard grounds
2 Playing in a non carlton jumper is [REDACTED]
3 players cant develop faster because
[a] they sometimes play out of position for the benefit of team success. Adam Hartlett will never be a fullback.He is too slow but plays there at the moment for team success
{b} I was shocked at the standard difference between the AFL and VFL because clubs lists are too short so top up players for what of a better term drag the standard down
4 the ridicolous rule which stops a kid like Lachie Hill playing in the firsts forcing him to play VFlLseconds which is ikin to Geelong and District standard. How can a rookie on our list develop playing that shit standard of footy



If this thread is partly about developing youth then the club should be proactive and have a Carlton Seconds team to start things off

Somethinghas to be done about seconds footy

Its the main problem when you talk about developing talent.

The Magoos years ago was about
1 Developing kids in the positions they were most suited
2 Winning the ARMy Reserve Cup was just a bonus

Teague and Mitchell before him are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea because they have to be concerned about the Northern Bullants position on the VFL ladder too much.

Your thought Cazzeman

Very nice....hope there are no Jonathon Hay jokes coming

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Not sure about the motives mentioned, but certainly there is lots of research into cyber psychology. My own suspicion (not as a psych professional, which of course I am not, just a very long term usenet/forum participant and observer) is that it may be difficult to get accurate data regarding the true motives for posting in forums.

I think I have probably come online at various times for any one of those 3 motives, but they are in no way the only reasons I come online, and I'm not sure I could accurately reflect my most common reason(s) for coming here.

Oh, and to be on topic, I'm pleased by the article on the CFC development but also agree that what has been described should be expected of all modern clubs. I cannot reall comment on the quality of the process, as I am only an outsider, but can certainly see that the change in coach at least appears to have had positive influence on most of our list. As an example, I am particularly pleased with the changes in the way Waite is now playing.

You don't want to hear them and I can't be bothered to be honest. Sorry but although your love of CFC does provide you with plenty of opinions it simply doesn't provide you with enough insight into the VFL, the CFC list, the finances of CFC and the way the club is going about developing players.

Ok for the sake of argument here's 1 simple example........

You have to understand where Lachie Hilly has come from i.e Private School footy in 2007, and where the Club wants him to be at the end of 2009 after a 2nd year as a Rookie.

So was he better off playing 100 minutes in the Bullants reserves at CHB for the 1st 4 or 5 games where he could; get his hands on the ball, make good decisions, make bad decisions without consequence, dominate the game with his run, gain some confidence, get some self belief, be a leader, get some footy respect, be big fish in a small pond for awhile

or

Play 40 minutes in the VFL; come on and off the bench, be a struggling little fish, makes some mistakes and look bad, lose confidence etc etc etc.

I suspect you have never spoken to Hilly and you weren't at Sandringham the other week. Hilly needed time in the Reserves to get himself ready for the VFL. The club needed him in the Reserves to aide his footy development and get his confidence ready for the VFL. His limited game time against Sandy was excellent before he got injured due to his improved confidence.

I could go on but my time would be wasted.

Regards Cazzesman

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