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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pro's & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Just arrived from the game - haven't seen the gameday thread but can imagine the frustration despite the scoreline

A competent performance but honestly was unimpressed

Pros

Judd superb again brownlow chance if we'd snuck a couple more wins- overhead mark :eek: So he can play forward I was wr..wro..

-Hammer - is fast, gives flexibility, fights for the footy - forget the fumbles he's the future fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better than Cloke :thumbsup: :oops:

-Thornton - To be fair he's been in great form all year - I have to accept that he's good at what he does and we need to find run from elsewhere

-Gibbs - improved game - had more impact today

-Murph and Kreuzer - very good again

- Waite - dynamic

-Robbo - was the spark early with awesome efforts- a bit too cocky at times but backs himself which we need

-A solid win with a lot of young players, some of whom were ordinary but need to get games into them
-I don't think Austin was great but important structurally- released Waite
-We didn't run so plenty of legs for next weeks trip :banghead:

CONS

Game style - very unimpressive.
Should have won by more against depleted opposition
Yarran - disappointing. Lacks mental toughness, confidence and urgency. Slack
No run from backline - Joseph and Army weren't in the game - need them carrying the ball
Stevens - one lovely left foot goal and.......?
Hadley - He must be struggling if I'm pining for Bentick :eek: :banghead:
Simpson - played a good game all up but he refused to run with the ball


agree yarran - far too casual with that last shot. needs to look very closely at robbo to see what real intensity is.w

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Pro - It's going to be a fun week. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:32 pm 
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Pros:

Judd
Robbo ... always buzzing
Some nice glimpses from Austin ... added bonus is that it gives greater flexibilty in how we use Waite
Joseph
Walking out of the ground after beating the pies

Cons:

We dropped to their level for much of the game ... we lacked zip
Kick ins - look like an under 12 team kicking in


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Melvey wrote:
Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


Why Johnson? For the turnovers?

Warnock's another.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Plenty on here going far too early on Yarran. Remember Leon Davis in the early days? Ordinary. Donuts in a GF if I remember correctly. Give Yarran time.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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PRO
- Beating the Filth
- Maxwell sooking
- Browne slotting in and playing a role
- Austin getting into the game more, looking more the goods than last year, but still not really a threatening forward - needs more time
- Robbo - like a wild man!
- Hampson (slowly) improving
- Armfield and Joseph got a bit of schooling from Lockyer and Davis, but still stuck with it and made a good contest
- Waite FINALLY able to stay forward predominantly, and absolutely blitzed it

CON
- Yarran doesn't look like an AFL standard player at the moment.,.. but hard to know if dropping him will help or hinder? Maybe needs to compete more with Garlett to earn his spot.
- People in the corridor don't get the ball (maybe don't want the ball enough). Saw Hadley and Browne wandering around aimlessly in the square several times... didn't really seem to be leading or demanding the ball. But agree we need to be looking inwards a lot more
- Not enough run off halfback. When is Grigg back?
- Still too much panicking and poor decision making coming from out from the defensive 50 - still don't think we are working hard enough to provide options
- JR does not seem to be improving much
- Hadley comes and goes, not consistent enough this year


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:20 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


Why Johnson? For the turnovers?

Warnock's another.


WHAT TURN OVERS?????

The turnovers from the bulldogs game were uncharacteristic of him and one would think the 'thigh' injury would have played some part

Johnson can use the ball. Can run. Needs to work on his body work but plenty of upside no doubt


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:23 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Plenty on here going far too early on Yarran. Remember Leon Davis in the early days? Ordinary. Donuts in a GF if I remember correctly. Give Yarran time.


What he said - very harsh on a first year player. Yarran will be something special when he develops further into a midfielder/forward - mark these words.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Plenty on here going far too early on Yarran. Remember Leon Davis in the early days? Ordinary. Donuts in a GF if I remember correctly. Give Yarran time.


What he said - very harsh on a first year player. Yarran will be something special when he develops further into a midfielder/forward - mark these words.


I hope so cause what's standing out like dogs balls to me is the lack of a extractor in the middle............

Yarran was pretty disappointing today but he, just like our coach is still learning the capper and will better for it


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Pro:

We smashed the old enemy.

Con:

It was against an undermanned side

Pro:

A win's a win, and we have the third best percentage, and are only a win off 3rd on the ladder.

Con:

I didn't get to see the match, because I was at the Pregnancy, baby, and child expo at Rosehill Gardens.

Pro:

Got HEAPS of free stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:47 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Plenty on here going far too early on Yarran. Remember Leon Davis in the early days? Ordinary. Donuts in a GF if I remember correctly. Give Yarran time.


What he said - very harsh on a first year player. Yarran will be something special when he develops further into a midfielder/forward - mark these words.


Davis had a shocking GF in 02 but I recall him having an instant impact as a young player. very inconsistent as a kid but hit the ball at lightning speed and had immediate x factor.

Some 1st year players show enough straight away to know they're the business, some don't - those that don't aren't to be written off, but they're going to be scrutinised, as they should.

AFL these days is about intensity - if Chris thought he could jog around and kick 4 classy goals without breaking a sweat as he did in the WAFL, he knows differently now. We don't know for sure what he'll do with that knowledge. It could conceivably go either way. I have confidence that the recruiters did their homework on the kid, but at the end of the day it's up to the player.


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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Got HEAPS of free stuff.



It must have been GOOD stuff. :razz:

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Melvey wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


Why Johnson? For the turnovers?

Warnock's another.


WHAT TURN OVERS?????

The turnovers from the bulldogs game were uncharacteristic of him and one would think the 'thigh' injury would have played some part

Johnson can use the ball. Can run. Needs to work on his body work but plenty of upside no doubt


I hope he's got upside.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:57 pm 
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PRO
- that shepard on heath shaw from austin was awesome..great stuff from him today :clap:
- robbos courageous mark going back with the flight, and never took his eyes of the ball.
- judd is amazing...same with murph gibbsy and kreuze.
- betts produced the goods today

CON
- @#$%&! i hate nick maxwell, just a dog of a player. shite captain...has he ever been a decent player??
-fev

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
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Location: at the Bay Oval....
Pro: Beating those ferals by over 50 pts.
Aussie looking OK
Gibbsy giving man love to Aussie after he kicked that goal :smoking:
Fev goal less and we kick 16
Judd & Kruez

Con: Collingwoods crap they bought which IMO bought us down
Comments about who bad Carlton were yet they won...
The Umpiring. Collingwood gifted goals.

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:00 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


Why Johnson? For the turnovers?

Warnock's another.


WHAT TURN OVERS?????

The turnovers from the bulldogs game were uncharacteristic of him and one would think the 'thigh' injury would have played some part

Johnson can use the ball. Can run. Needs to work on his body work but plenty of upside no doubt


Can Johnson run with the ball? Seems another static type who jogs a few steps while looking for targets for his nice long kicking.


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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:00 pm 
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Pro:
Judd, Waite early on set the tone.
Scotto and Robbo with guts when it was required.
TV camera showing Eddies sour face in the last quarter.
No Mandy posts
I know that clown Joffa is at home sulking

Con:
Jordan's set shot for goal after a fine mark. No pressure, easy set shot, missed. If you cant kick one from there stay out of the forward line.
Posters still moaning after smashing the filth

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 Post subject: Re: R8: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:02 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Cons: Lack of drive off half back

Really looking forward seeing Walker, Johnson and Grigg playing along side Robbo, Army, AJ and Browne


Why Johnson? For the turnovers?

Warnock's another.


WHAT TURN OVERS?????

The turnovers from the bulldogs game were uncharacteristic of him and one would think the 'thigh' injury would have played some part

Johnson can use the ball. Can run. Needs to work on his body work but plenty of upside no doubt


Can Johnson run with the ball? Seems another static type who jogs a few steps while looking for targets for his nice long kicking.


Is that a coaching directive or the way most of our players play?

He looks like a running player


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Con: I expected Fev to have his usual day out against Collingwood, so I made him captain for my dream team.

Pro: I won my game anyway


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