I would'nt fancy sitting in that Legends Stand again getting the sun in my eyes.


If they don't pull it down, let the PA, Freo, BL, etc supporters suffer there

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Look at the time we were in the latrine, no choice, AFL were determined to close down all suburban grounds, they held all the cards, they were in charge of the fixturing.

Where would we have been if we stayed at Princes Park - Saturday afternoon games, no free to air, no sponsorship, lame duck administration Smorgan.

Its the AFL who are the bad guys here - not the genuine members and supporters who had to do what they had to do with the hand that we held.

We wouldnt be here debating the point if we had stayed.

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There are still 25,000 seats there as of today?
If the AFL want to see this happen they can easily schedule games like North vs. Port and Melbourne vs. Adelaide for next season. Any game with a forecast attendance of 25,000 or less. They throw some cash at it now, and the Summer is spent getting the facilities up to the proper standard. Toilets, food, access and seating are the priorities. And so it eases its way back in with a dozen games in 2010 before another Summer of more serious work to increase capacity to 30,000 and hospitality arrangements (I imagine hospitality would be dealt with in 2010 like it was for the farewell game - lots of marquees in Princes Park).

Then in 2011, with the introduction of the GCFC, it comfortably seats 30,000. Games featuring low-drawing Victorian sides vs. Interstaters only one would imagine. I reckon they should make Visy Park the home of the early Sunday game - the 1.10 game that's exclusive to Fox. One game a week, including the CFC's triumphant return to their spiritual home.

And as for the Heatley end - it's not dissimilar to Bellerive Oval now. That has a 'dead' end too where there's standing room only and a bloody great building in the way.

Not that I've bothered to reread those faraway days but umm please show where I've changed what I've said.

If this goes ahead it will be as a neutral ground - personally I'd rather keep it as a training centre and move all games to the MCG - and times have changed - in those days we were [REDACTED] and the AFL held all the cards

now it seems they have not so many aces up their sleeves as they first thought.

As for Synbad wait until Ratts wins a flag and watch the chameleon act then baby.

Oh and hows gawee the gweat going?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

For us to be playing 7 or so games at Visy Park, the capacity would have to be built back up to 35,000, any plan which states less than is just an idle threat.

I do genuinely believe that AFL football can be played at Visy Park again, but I am not sure how many matches we will have there.

Also compared to what was happening back in the day when we were forced to leave, the situation is entirely different now. The penny has finally dropped for clubs and the AFL that attendances don't equal money when you are paying rent to use a facility like Etihad.

I thought it was short sighted to get rid of Waverley in the late 90s and have been proven correct even sooner than expected. The original reason Waverley was built was because of problems the then VFL had with the MCC, and also the whole reason why they were able to get their own way at the G back in the 80s & 90s was because the MCC knew unless they started co-operating more with the VFL/AFL they would just fixture games away from there, and then there were 5-6 suburban venues where matches could also be scheduled, not allowing the MCC to rip off clubs or the AFL, as they simply would just play elsewhere. Now the management of the MCC and Etihad can do whatever they like as there are no existing alternatives, and its no coincidence these problems have become even more severe since Visy Park was no longer an AFL venue.

Now, now old55.


You should know better than to now tow the official TC party line.

Shame, shame, shame.



FWIW, even if we play 3-4 games there a year - nobody can deny that we would profit greatly from other teams
playing at Visy.


Pratt wanted us to go back. I'm starting to think now that maybe the club has a bit of clout now to make that actually happen...

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GC already have 40K members and are only building a 25K seat stadium. Fact is, members don't go to all games especially when it is against interstate sides like Port and Freo.

If we can get 25K at a game and make 600K a game like Geelong do then we will benefit nicely.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

correct, geelong supporters don't seem to be complaining

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We've out grown PP and i think will take a big step backwards if we play games there.

Also with a section of the ground the new admin and training facility especially being behind the goals will effect the atmosphere that the ground once had

Gold Coast?

You're comparing us to a yet to be created club with no history, no soul.
Do you know how many people we're averaging to a game this year? Over 50,000.
Since our days at PP, our average attendances have increased by around 50%!!!

If we go back to Visy Park for games, we'll be in a situation where only reserved seat holders can view games. If anyone thinks that's a way to build a membership or supporter base, they're kidding themselves.
Our best option is to do a deal with the MCG IMO

Not everything is about money.

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Play 4 games at VISY per year
sample teams:

MCG - Coll, Ess, Haw, Rich, Geel, - Ave 65k
Docklands - WB Melb St K - Ave 40k
VISY - GC, Port, WCE, Adel - ave 25k

Maybe only 3 games at VISY

Should be worth $1.5-2m per year -no selling home ground advantage as we did for Freo.

I'm sure Carlton will make something out of the arrangement with other clubs playing at VP

AFL / government / council pay for facilities upgrade.

What's not to like?

Play no games at VISY park.

It was lost its charm due to the redevelopment.

We will never ever be able to replicate the passion and support from the Heatley and Social club end

Do you know how averages work?

Lets assume the following:
1. Carlton vs Freo at PP - 25,000
2. Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG - 90,000
3. Carlton vs GC at PP - 25,000
4. Carlton vs Essendon* at MCG - 75,000

Now let me get my calculator and work out the average. Lets see....wow that is over 53,000 on average watching Carlton each week while playing at PP. Lets do it.

3 games maximum at PP (that is $1.8 million into the bank) and play them against Port, GC & Freo. Play the rest at the MCG and we will still average greater than 50,000 fans per round.

Nobody is saying that PP should be our only home ground. We just don't want to play games at the Dome AND give Stokes another house in Brighton. Play 3 at PP and the rest at the MCG.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Playing games at PP against low drawing interstate clubs is an absolute no brainer unless current stadium deals significantly improve and they are unlikely to improve to the extent that would make it worthwhile financially. If Geelong are making the huge $ you hear about it then we would be crazy NOT to do it. If Blue supporters could not make a packed PP a fortress then we should pack it in. Extra $ means improved football department support, ability to hang on to key players, pay off debt and maybe even put moment in the bank. It couldnt happen a better team with our team on the up.

Excellent ideas.

Prove it.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

it will be a kind of sanitized shadow of how it once was - but Carlton will be playing games at Visy Park.

The Melbourne match we lost a few years ago was the last traditional PP match - but not the last match on that ground.

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Everything old is new again as game moves back home - Caro

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There's so much I could say...

You deal in assumptions, I'll stick to facts.

We're in the business of building the club and making it accessible to a hopefully growing supporter base. Locking members out of games in favour of those who can afford reserved seats isn't the way to go IMO. Especially during a recession.
We should be about expanding, not contracting.

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