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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:33 pm 
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1. Has anyone heard of this?
2. Can anyone understand this?
3. Does anyone know of any results Carlton has achieved from this?

http://www.technologyandbusiness.com.au ... ail&Page=1

Kinetic Performance Technology has created a simulated training environment called Kinetic Altitude.The company has so far installed three of its simulated training environments in Australia: one at Collingwood Football Club, one at Carlton Football Club and one at the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS). The facility at Carlton Football Club has earned the company a place on the list of finalists for a PACE Zenith award – previous winners of which include Bluescope Steel, CSIRO and Rio Tinto.

How do they work?

The facilities create hypoxic altitude simulation. Basically, we lower the oxygen content, which lowers the partial pressure of oxygen in the atmosphere, creating a similar effect on the body as natural altitude would. [The idea is that, through training in altitude-like environments, athletes will significantly increase their overall fitness and performance.]

How do you create this effect?

We change the mixture rather than the pressure -- which is how hyperbaric systems work. We don't use that method [hyperbaric] because it is very expensive, dangerous and hard to do.
We convert an ordinary room to altitude-like conditions by lowering the oxygen content from around 20 percent to about 13 to 15 percent which simulates around the 3000 to 3500 meters above sea level. We also adjust this depending on the natural altitude of the site so Canberra, for instance, is already 600 meters above sea level so we have adjusted the AIS facility to take that natural altitude in to account.

We use a custom built controller, which is a system of oxygen analysers and blowers, to mix the air with nitrogen from a nitrogen generator. The mixed air at the prescribed percentage of oxygen is pumped into the room where athletes are training. We keep it going all the time, because the people in the room are constantly creating carbon dioxide as they breathe out so we have to constantly flush that out. (The athletes could be putting out up to 4 liters of carbon dioxide per minute if they are training hard.)
We use a large scale nitrogen generator to do this. In Carlton Football Club, for example, the plant generates about 100 cubic meters per hour of nitrogen to mix with air and go into the training room.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:41 pm 
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Have no bloody idea but i love it what ever it is even more that i know Cam cloke has been dropped.

I know the club have some high tech treadmills where performance data is collected from Chris Judd which measures the amount of kms he has run, his stop and starts, what speed he reaches and its programmed into the tread mill and replicates the work Juddy does on the field. The young players have to run the amount he does including the stops starts and speed which he does through a game


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:26 pm 
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Laserkid wrote:
1. Has anyone heard of this?
2. Can anyone understand this?
3. Does anyone know of any results Carlton has achieved from this?

http://www.technologyandbusiness.com.au ... ail&Page=1

Kinetic Performance Technology has created a simulated training environment called Kinetic Altitude.The company has so far installed three of its simulated training environments in Australia: one at Collingwood Football Club, one at Carlton Football Club and one at the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS). The facility at Carlton Football Club has earned the company a place on the list of finalists for a PACE Zenith award – previous winners of which include Bluescope Steel, CSIRO and Rio Tinto.

How do they work?

The facilities create hypoxic altitude simulation. Basically, we lower the oxygen content, which lowers the partial pressure of oxygen in the atmosphere, creating a similar effect on the body as natural altitude would. [The idea is that, through training in altitude-like environments, athletes will significantly increase their overall fitness and performance.]

How do you create this effect?

We change the mixture rather than the pressure -- which is how hyperbaric systems work. We don't use that method [hyperbaric] because it is very expensive, dangerous and hard to do.
We convert an ordinary room to altitude-like conditions by lowering the oxygen content from around 20 percent to about 13 to 15 percent which simulates around the 3000 to 3500 meters above sea level. We also adjust this depending on the natural altitude of the site so Canberra, for instance, is already 600 meters above sea level so we have adjusted the AIS facility to take that natural altitude in to account.

We use a custom built controller, which is a system of oxygen analysers and blowers, to mix the air with nitrogen from a nitrogen generator. The mixed air at the prescribed percentage of oxygen is pumped into the room where athletes are training. We keep it going all the time, because the people in the room are constantly creating carbon dioxide as they breathe out so we have to constantly flush that out. (The athletes could be putting out up to 4 liters of carbon dioxide per minute if they are training hard.)
We use a large scale nitrogen generator to do this. In Carlton Football Club, for example, the plant generates about 100 cubic meters per hour of nitrogen to mix with air and go into the training room.


Didn't Collingwood try something similar...was that what got them to the prelim against Geelong in '07 only to lose by a kick....nah....that was the other thing.... :cool:

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:28 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:36 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Have no bloody idea but i love it what ever it is even more that i know Cam cloke has been dropped.

I know the club have some high tech treadmills where performance data is collected from Chris Judd which measures the amount of kms he has run, his stop and starts, what speed he reaches and its programmed into the tread mill and replicates the work Juddy does on the field. The young players have to run the amount he does including the stops starts and speed which he does through a game



What a fantastic benchmark.

Thanks for that Melvey.

Great stuff Laserkid..........................WOW.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:14 pm 
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Do these gizmos actually help us win close games of football? If they do, I'm a convert. Maybe if we ran down the corridor a bit more, we wouldn't need the extra fitness required running the longer distance around the boundary. Maybe in its next Strategic Plan, the club can can invest on players who can hit targets by hand and foot and run to find space (its called footy smarts)

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:25 pm 
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Brisbane Lions used this
go2altitude.com
during the glory years. Hypoxic training starting to get traction? interesting

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