Not surprised by some of the comments on here and quite disappointed some factual allegations are being edited for fear of 'defamation.'
The truth is that Fremantle players had a few quiet beers in their hotel bar after their WIN on Saturday night, while Carlton players (most of which were considered in our senior core players) were out clubbing until 4am.

Surely there is something wrong here? Haven't we lost 4 of our last 5 games? Haven't we finished in the bottom 5 spots on the ladder for every one of the past 5 years? Why should the club be threatening media organisations such as Ch 9 and TFS last night NOT to report on these issues so we can just sweep them right under the carpet again and pretend nothing untoward is happening.

There are some serious issues with some of our senior players- this goes to the heart of their commitment to our football club, and their own livelihood.
These are issues that need to be discussed and not swept under the carpet by mods for fear of a lawsuit.

(I'm not saying post unsubstantiated crap, but a discussion on the worrying partying culture of our senior players is warranted.)

I sympathize with your issues Ryan and wish you luck. Good on your friends and employer for standing by you in your tough times.

.............but there comes a time with everyone when enough is enough. This isn't a one-off, it's a regular yearly event. We as a club aren't responsible for bailing this bloke out time and time again. We're in the business of winning games of footy, not counseling nut jobs.

If Houla was dropped, so should have Fev. I also want to know why this didn't happen IF they were guilty of commiting the same crime.

We will continue to stumble along performing 70% until he finally retires by which time it will be too late.

I'm sick to flower death of seeing Judd, Murphy, Kreuzer and Gibbs and Waite give everything they have to see Fev piss it away.

The truth is that Fremantle players had a few quiet beers in their hotel bar after their WIN on Saturday night, while Carlton players (most of which were considered in our senior core players) were out clubbing until 4am.

I agree with Josh...and while it might not make the papers due to Swann's intervention - internally there will be a fall out from this. One thing is definitely clear...we lose to an undermanned Collingwood on Sunday and it's not about 2009 anymore - it's about making some really big decisions on who's here and who's not in 2010.

Would it be different if you were being paid $100,000s each year to be a professional athlete in peak physical condition at all times, and in many ways the face of an entire organisation?

And if we win?

I agree with Josh...and while it might not make the papers due to Swann's intervention - internally there will be a fall out from this. One thing is definitely clear...we lose to an undermanned Collingwood on Sunday and it's not about 2009 anymore - it's about making some really big decisions on who's here and who's not in 2010.

THEN WE ALL GO OUT AND GET DRUNK

Defining, line-in-the-sand match this week then? I'd like to think so.

I would've much preferred a public bollocking for those involved, but I dearly hope the riot act has been read to these blokes, and the rest of the list made well aware that this crap isn't good enough and won't be tolerated.

Perhaps some new team rules have to be implemented, but these only work when seen by the playing group as a collective as the very bare minimum of commitment required. Anything less than full commitment on-field this weekend should nail a few coffins closed in my opinion.

We're quite clearly lacking in leadership amongst our playing stocks if this sort of thing is allowed to continue.

I must be blind. Can't see a thing about this in the Herald Sun today. Storm in a tea cup I suspect. But at least it gave all the politically correct do gooders and sheep a chance to follow the lead.

The poster on anther forum who claimed to have sent to the photo to the Herald Sun and quite happily bragged about it must have a deflated ego by now.

Good on any player that goes out and has fun, stays up late or god forbid get's laid. All power to you.

Judging by the stories I've heard since the end of last season, we are way off the mark.