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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:31 pm 
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Fev tweaked his hamstring while having goalkicking practice in the few minutes prior to the game starting? He immediately grabbed his right thigh & the look on his face said that he knew he was in strife. He immediately sought treatment on the ground from a trainer, who did some work on Fev's right thigh.

Fev, as you have stated, started the game & left the field 90 seconds into the game & went straight into the dressing rooms, where he was attended to by 3 of the club's medical staff. He of course returned to the field, but it was clear, from watching him closely at the ground, that he was struggling to sprint & to jump. He parked himself in the goal square for the majority of the game & did not venture very far up the ground.

Don't be surprised to see Fev being a late withdrawal for next week's game against Collingwood, because I have little doubt that he sustained a hamstring injury & to play him with such an injury runs the risk of him suffering a similar fate to Ben Cousins, or even worse, Richo.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:01 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
I agree with what Melvey wrote, immediate success isn't necessarily the best thing for our current group. Painting Matty Knights as some kind of demi god of development though is a bit extreme, considering they have one more win than us and a lot poorer percentage, and also Knights hand was forced with the amount of injuries they copped last year. Thing is Essendon* do have some talent there, but I think in an even comp they have been able to take advantage of sides taking them lightly. I still would be surprised if they finished above us this year.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:03 pm 
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The Dominator wrote:
Don't be surprised to see Fev being a late withdrawal for next week's game against Collingwood, because I have little doubt that he sustained a hamstring injury & to play him with such an injury runs the risk of him suffering a similar fate to Ben Cousins, or even worse, Richo.


Me thinks thats why Ratts in his presser said Fev was not injured.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:08 pm 
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Moving the ball swiftly and efficiently from our kick-ins is by far our biggest deficiency ATM. Fix that and the forwards will beat their respective opponents.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:15 pm 
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true_blue3 wrote:
4-good tap ruckman (hampson not strong/smart enough, kreuzer lack of height/strength/leap, ohailpin lack of height/brains, cloke lack of height, jacobs lack of height/leap). hopefully warnock can fil the void here next here.

Sandilands.

Did Kreuzer lack the height and leap against Leuenberger?

The kid is 19 and leading the ruck.

Give us the spoon. :roll:


firstly, i've no idea why you'd write "give us the spoon" at the end as i think i'm one of the more positive posters on here but anyway.

as for your comment on kreuzer up aaginst leunberger. well unfortunately we don't come up against leaunbergers every week. you say the kid is 19, which is only adding to my point that we need a good tap ruckman. there's no excuse out there, no one treats you any different if your 19. i believe we need a ruckman who has a good enough leap and is strong and tall enough to at least be competitive against cox, sandilands, jolly, mcintosh, charman, fraser, ottens, hille etc. have you not realised how badly we get smashed in the ruck when we come up against these teams?? i wasn't having a crack at kreuzer, i think he's the most exciting package at the club and i wouldn't trade him for anyone in the comp (bar maybe roughead, franklin and ablett) but the fact of the matter is we need someone now who can be competitive in the actual ruck hit outs when we come up against the players listed above.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:19 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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The Saints and i thin it was Dal Santo who said they hardly did any tackling training over the summer. You know you have to tackle, no need to practice it


That's actually a good post but seeing it has the name Melvey attached to it I don't think you will get positive responses. :wink: People will look only look at the negatives in the last two paragraphs.


...and rightly so. What a moronic comment by Dal Santo (If he made it)
We also know we have to kick, handball, mark and kick goals too. Does that mean we shouldn't practice those either?
Tackling is about technique and application. No different to any other football skill.

Dal Santo is a soft as butter sheepdog who was dropped last year due to his inability to apply defensive pressure and a lack of intensity at the contest.
Quoting him on football issues is like taking advice on good citizenship from Alan Didak

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:22 pm 
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We are average - NOT BEING NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE

We are a average team.

We have great players - Judd / Gibbs / Murphy / etc

We have AVERAGE players - Our BACKLINE besides Jammo

Our Forward Line is AVERAGE besides Fevola and he is ON AND OFF


AVERAGE AVERAGE AVERAGE :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:23 pm 
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We need an extractor someone who can get to the bottom of the pact and dish off 26 handballs a game save Judd from doing it . It is a pity Kouta is not still playing

We need 2 forward targets other than Fev

We need a defence general

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:33 pm 
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I don't care what position they play ostensibly as juniors as long as they are 192cm+ (at the very least), mobile and can play an 'inside' kind of role. We'll work them into the side somehow.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:34 pm 
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Our forward line is a joke and it's what is holding us back from being a really good team.
We have a gutless, heartless full forward with no resilliance and no ability to play through pain and step up when things go bad unlike Judd and Murphy who put in when they have to reguardless. He'll continue to let us down until the day he retires. See you in the Ants Fev for a wake up call.
Cloke and Wiggins who are shocking players not worthy of playing in any side capable of making finals.
A heap of players running around up forward aren't forwards and when they get the footy they miss.
We have crap forwardline pressure against decent sides. We allow opposition players to get loose out the back and walk out of defence wake up coaching staff and get some accountability going!
A coach with no imagination to throw Kreuzer forward and Hampson in the ruck, not the other way around! Our forwards were poor and our forward structure and setup was just as bad.
Our best forward in the Ants is the unlisted Saddington.

On the up side Yarran looks like he'll be a good player. Garlett is a likely type and hopefully can grow into a good player for us. Robinson has the ability and the right attitude to play in our forward line. Welcome back Brad Fisher and maby Ryan Houlihan.

What we must do is have Waite forward, bring in Robbo and Fisher and get rid of Cloke and Wiggins, they aren't our future. Kreuzer MUST play forward. We need to go crazy recruiting forwards and see if we can pinch one in a trade.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:40 pm 
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Walls picked it...our bottom 6 and you can add some players lack in many areas....
No Fev no Carlton is as good as saying no Fev = no game plan as we still have no other avenues to goal.

Our skill level as a list is poor as is our decision making.

Over use of handball trying to imitate better teams game plans doesnt work..need to kick more and keep it simple.

Its become apparent that teams are exposing us for lack of pace or perhaps lack of wanting to chase at a intense level....
Essendon* played on at all costs and ran us ragged and Freo tried the same stuff....Thornton (Freo) goaled after Thornton(Carlton) wouldnt chase and run and had some other mates doing similar......
Average players doing the basics well will beat good players bludging......

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:42 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Melvey wrote:
The Saints and i thin it was Dal Santo who said they hardly did any tackling training over the summer. You know you have to tackle, no need to practice it


That's actually a good post but seeing it has the name Melvey attached to it I don't think you will get positive responses. :wink: People will look only look at the negatives in the last two paragraphs.


...and rightly so. What a moronic comment by Dal Santo (If he made it)
We also know we have to kick, handball, mark and kick goals too. Does that mean we shouldn't practice those either?
Tackling is about technique and application. No different to any other football skill.

Dal Santo is a soft as butter sheepdog who was dropped last year due to his inability to apply defensive pressure and a lack of intensity at the contest.
Quoting him on football issues is like taking advice on good citizenship from Alan Didak


It has been said by several players that tackling was not a main focus during the preseason. I remember hearing Leigh Montagna and Luke ball say the same thing


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:50 pm 
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consider these facts
- we have lost 4 games this year that all on this site would agree we should have won. which means we are bloody close
- judd, murphy, gibbs, kruz have all had good seasons
- we have looked our best when the Wiggler has played well

therefore the deficiencies are
1. Game plan. 1 and 2 show we are doing a lot of things right we need to make some adjustments and we will be winning all these games. It may be a confidence thing but execution of handballs and movement still not clicking yet. Read the stats from last night and we have all the right indictators but we are not executing properly. We are not that far away - I hope it is just a matter of playing more games until it clicks. This alone will make us a top 4 team.
2. Forward line needs help and fast. Wiggler has been poor recently and we have struggled. We desperately need someone to stand up and Cloke aint the right person. I would definetly stick with Waite forward and Austin down back - that should provide some assistance but we need more but I am not sure who we have that can do the job. Fact - without this sorted we will not win a premiership.
3. Line breaking centre-man who is accountable defensively - chance bateman would be the ideal player here. Perhaps Yarran in 3 years will be this player. We are too slow ...Stevens can kick wonderfully well but is too often exposed and exploited by the opposition for his slowness/lack of defensive pressure
4. Defensive midfielder to shutdown the best opposition players but still hurt the opposition

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:01 pm 
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Our biggest weakness is that we don't have depth and are covering for injuries with kids. Our strength is that we have a lot of kids. We need to get experience into them all but they are all at the start of their careers and their form is up and down and at this stage of their development we can't afford to have a few injuries.

Obviously if we could pick up a CHF and a goal kicking half forward in the draft or through trade plus another one or two in and under midfielders to take some of the pressure off Judd Gibbs and Murphy we could make major steps forward next year.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:25 pm 
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Taff wrote:
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I don't care what position they play ostensibly as juniors as long as they are 192cm+ (at the very least), mobile and can play an 'inside' kind of role. We'll work them into the side somehow.


Andrew Walker!


Pity he fails my criteria by about 2cm. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:30 pm 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Walls picked it...our bottom 6 and you can add some players lack in many areas....
No Fev no Carlton is as good as saying no Fev = no game plan as we still have no other avenues to goal.

Our skill level as a list is poor as is our decision making.

Over use of handball trying to imitate better teams game plans doesnt work..need to kick more and keep it simple.

Its become apparent that teams are exposing us for lack of pace or perhaps lack of wanting to chase at a intense level....
Essendon* played on at all costs and ran us ragged and Freo tried the same stuff....Thornton (Freo) goaled after Thornton(Carlton) wouldnt chase and run and had some other mates doing similar......
Average players doing the basics well will beat good players bludging......


True but what if we are playing against good players doing the basics well? It's not only about us.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:40 pm 
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PLEASE keep JARRAD WAITE in the forward line!

Honestly just persist with long penetrating kicks around 20m out from goal to Fev, Waite and Betts and we will get results.

Opposition teams have been doing this to us like Essendon*, Hawthorn and Freo last night and piling on the pressure onto our defence.



1. Forward line - We have more inside 50's yet lose. Have to admit some of the delivery into the F50 last night was atrocious but seirously we had 59 Inside 50's and what was with 5 straight behinds to start the 3rd quarter...accuracy again killing us.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:45 pm 
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The 3 goals by Waite in the 2nd quarter confirmed my belief that he should play forward more often...he is a hard man to match up on is tall, agile, take a big grab and kick goals..even if he doesnt mark it once the ball hits the deck he runs onto it...fev usually hits the deck.



Oh and i think our defence set up needs work. Too often Freo kicked long to something like a 2 v 2 last night i had my heart in my mouth everytime because they looked like scoring every time...we need more numbers back.

But then the midfield could be blamed just as much because on many occassions the Freo ball-carrier would just waltz through to HF and kick it long without any pressure whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:48 pm 
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Oh and bring back Mitch Robinson...someone needs to put on some forward pressure around here.

F50 tackles and pressure was such a big focus at the start of the year...has dropped off big time...opposition have been getting the ball out of our F50 way too easily the last few weeks.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:20 pm 
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jt wrote:
Oh and bring back Mitch Robinson...someone needs to put on some forward pressure around here.

F50 tackles and pressure was such a big focus at the start of the year...has dropped off big time...opposition have been getting the ball out of our F50 way too easily the last few weeks.


I think Robbo plays his best in the back half or on ball


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