What you're trying to say is ...... let's move out of the bottom 4 !!!!

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Ive lost count of the amount of posters who come out after every loss and say "we should have won" or "I cant believe we lost to those hacks", maybe we arent as good as we think we are?

Youre right, he is a shocking footballer. FFS he was playing soccer till he was 16, why would you waste such a high pick on a gamble like that? I understand if we picked him up at 70, but pick 17 for Hampson is a stupid decision. Id be very surprised if he plays any more that 2 or 3 games for Carlton ever again.

Yeah mate. I was one of them.

I may be biased because I've always been pro-Fisher, but he could have provided what was lacking tonight... a tall, one grab mark down forward.



As for the kicking...

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Best post ever?

Not hard to top the previous posts AFAIK.


There's nothing wrong with having hope, and being optimistic every now and then... something Gavroman has very little knowledge about from what I know of him...


...I mean, after all - I'd rather say

"Thought we we're top 4 - guess we'll have to just try to make the 8"

than

"Though we were top 8 - maybe it's time to tank".



S'all a matter of perspective...

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Congrats guys on hanging on to a spot in 8 on default (1 win off 14th ?).........I'm sure Ratts would love that. The fact is, we are NOT a top 8 team, and right now we're no better than last year. That's a cold hard fact.

Na, we were crapolla tonite and the face on Ratts in the box said it all. Simply unnaceptable, and I'm sure Ratts & co. agree. The fact is that some of our guys like Stevens, Russell, Wiggo etc are B/C graders at best (Stevo was good a few years ago, but due to age and injury set back etc is now scared to put himself into danger, and has lost a yard of pace).

Shocking loss tonite. And I pray that Fev was injured, because if he was just sooking after last week

Well, there's no point being negative about him. Gavro and I have crossed swords a fair bit over the last few years, but I thought his post was a reasonable and sensible way to put things.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I'm not surprised he stuffed up - he does it in the 2s. He is a fair way off, but he is improving, and he needs the exposure to the big guns after playing against midgets in the VFL. Like Setanta, he follows something eye-catching with something awful. I reckon if he plays 10 games straight, we might lose a game or two, but we might gain a star. He's not keeping any superstars out of the side, give him time. This team is obviously not the finished article yet, not too much to lose.

...yes sir.






...so, no discussing the pros and cons then?

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When you're losing by less than two goals then it is inidicative that there is not much in the game and i think that sums up Carlton this year. We are yet to be truly pantsed by a any team and we fight out matches. We've just been ulucky that the results have not gone our way as we have been in all of the games to date. I mean in the thrid quarter if the first five points that we kicked were goals (when we had all the momentum) the result would have been different. We're not a bad side, we're an improving side. We might not be top 4 but I still think we will win more games than we lose this year.

Pros:
Midfield - Judd, Gibbs, Murph and Kroooooozzzzzzeeeee all very very good and would walk into any midfield in the competition.
Bower - thought he was great tonight and kept Pav completely out of the match
Joseph - seemed to rise to the occassion when the pressure was on, great tackle, nice goal, could have had two and made the last five minutes really interesting.
Armfield - love the run and carry of this guy, if he settled just a little before he kicked he would be a very good player.
Defence in general - despite nice delivery from freo's mids, very few backmen were outplayed tonight.

Cons:
Fev - Should not play next week. If Houla can be dropped for not living up to his team goals then Fev should head the same way next week. I think that he is still injured or was re-injured early in the match. Either way Carlton are not a good enough side to carry players no matter who they are.
Forward structure in general - Players kicked into the flooded areas. It looked like we refused to have a half forward flank. Cloke and Wiggins had the ball kicked constantly over their heads. It is hard for them to make a difference if they are not considered by team mates, many times players looked for Betts as a marking option inside forward 50, while Cloke was free. It seems the midfield does not have a lot of faith in Cloke or Wiggins.
Simpson playing the quarterback role - Not sure what it is about simo at the moment, but he does not seem anywhere near as damaging as what he used to be.
Rucks - No one was a match for Sandilands today and he gave his team very good ball use. It just shows how important a great ruckman is... he can make a very average midfield seem good.

I think we will beat Collon Wood next week and be four from four...

Carn the blues and nots let get too disheartened by a few narrow losses.

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I understand your points, but I see Hampson as an act of desperation at a time when we were down and out. Like O'Hailpin, we recruited a very high risk prospect and it hasnt worked out much so far, if at all. I dont see how a few games in the seniors when he aint setting the world on fire in the 2s is going to somehow develop his talent.

O Hailpin showed a lot more at the same stage of his career and Hampson has showed very little. O Hailpin must come in this week against the Pies for Hampson.

I know he played horrible last night but you cant drop him, god help this side without Fev and having Fisher, Cloke and Wiggins up forward lol.

Fev kicked 7 and 8 against the Pies last year, he will come out this week and do it again.

Agree with everything else you said though

we do have a post match discussion thread yeah?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

OK, I know I'm going to get howled down but (watching TV only) it appeared as though Russell spent most of first half on Roger Hayden and kept him completely out of the game. Late in the game he seemed to be minding De Boer who saw virtually nothing of the ball.

Until the last 10 minutes I would have said Russell had used the ball almost faultlessly.

If I'm wrong on the match-ups please set me right.

I also felt Bower was in our best 4 or 5. What about that brilliant spoil on Pav at the edge of the goalsquare which kept us in the game.

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Con: Brett Ratten (NFI)

Pro: Choco Williams.

Dear Jeannie and Anthony Pratt, if you wanna fulfill your husband and fathers hard work and money and see his beloved Carlton win a premiership then demand who ever is in charge of the Blues to sign up Mark Williams immediately. If you're listening, anyone please im begging get this man over to the mighty blue baggers.

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You mean the bloke who coaches Port? The team that lost to the Kangaroos?

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You know little about footy if you think Hampson was poor and Hughes recruited Shaun out of desperation like O'hAilpin.

Sandilands beat him, but who doesn't the Docker beat?

Hampson is raw, but was very impressive around the ground with his agility and with his second efforts for a big man.

Stick to posting on that garbage team and code in your avatar.

I will be furious if we drop Hampson for that spud O'hAilpin.

Well couldn't be any worse than Ratts who coaches Carlton who lost to Freo.

We are developing side, he is one of if not the best developers of young kids. A coach who gets the best out of his soldiers. A coach who doesn't have the best of facilities at his disposal.