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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:16 pm 
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Horrie Clover

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Pro:
the usual suspects (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs (intensity?), Kruze around the ground. Special mention to Bower. Some of the kids looked alright and showed the way of the future (Armfield, Joseph, Austin looked ok,Yarran in part (needs to learn to tackle).

Cons:
intensity - 20 minutes not good enough.
playes who have been in the system who still cannot impose themselves on the game - Russell, Cloke (will be in Red next week surely), Wiggins, Simmo (consistency), Stevens (may as well look for a place on the Gold Coast - we might get a 3rd rounder for him! - he doesn't work hard enough for me.

if we continue to play with this intensity.... booking a holiday in Sept might be the go.

I really ? the way we direct play into the forwrad line as i reckon we would have won the inside 50's easily tonight - and it looked to me like it was busier than Bourke st.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:16 pm 
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Bert Deacon

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Pro's
The good youngsters have another game under their belt.
Waite
Judd

Con's
Cloke
Wiggins
The forwards
The ruck
The game plan-what is it?


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:18 pm 
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Kade Simpson, just awful.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:20 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Kade Simpson, just awful.


why does he spin when he doesn't need to?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:21 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
simonverbeek wrote:
There were two schools of thought last week: those who couldn’t hide their glee at getting close to the reignning premiers (a shocking mindset), and those who thought we did enough to win comfortably but failed due to underlying structural issues and poor coaching.

Surely the last 24 hours have proven the former group to be delusional.



Gee, you must have been sitting in front of your computer just waiting for the siren to go hey?

For the record, no one was struggling to hide their glee at losing to the reigning premiers. Some of us are just realistic about where we're at.
The coach cant get out there and kick the ball through the flower sticks for them. Due to restructuring and good coaching we dominated the 3rd quarter, only to see players spray their shots. 3.11 to 3.5 after half time. It's not like the players were'nt handed easy opportunities.

But hey, if blaming the coach gets some posters busting out the front of their pants, I hope you all go ahead and get your rocks off. :smoking:


You are dreaming blaming inaccuracy at goal!!!!!

Look where we take our shots from!!! From row Q of the stands. We play so wide that you have to expect to miss goals.

You want Judd and Stevens to nail goals from 45 on the fence consistently to win footy games?

We shoot from wide because we play wide. We play wide because our game plan is crap.

Our coach doesn't want the team playing through the middle, we get forced to the line every week and nothing changes.

Dreaming........

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:22 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Kade Simpson, just awful.



And SOFT.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:22 pm 
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[/quote] But hey, if blaming the coach gets some posters busting out the front of their pants, I hope you all go ahead and get your rocks off. [/quote]

What a bland, tiresome and predictable retort

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:24 pm 
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Hit The Boundary wrote:
Pro:
the usual suspects (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs (intensity?), Kruze around the ground. Special mention to Bower. Some of the kids looked alright and showed the way of the future (Armfield, Joseph, Austin looked ok,Yarran in part (needs to learn to tackle).



I like your username!!

Is it to describe Carlton's game plan??

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:27 pm 
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simonverbeek wrote:
Hit The Boundary wrote:
Pro:
the usual suspects (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs (intensity?), Kruze around the ground. Special mention to Bower. Some of the kids looked alright and showed the way of the future (Armfield, Joseph, Austin looked ok,Yarran in part (needs to learn to tackle).



I like your username!!

Is it to describe Carlton's game plan??



:lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:29 pm 
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There were no pros tonight

- We wont play finals. This was a must win game which revealed a lack of true desire, football nouse and coaching smarts
- Coaching. Forward structure (why didnt Waite stay at Full forward) Decision making when entering the forward line
Kruezer will never be a number one ruckman. I don't care how young he is. His athleticism and slight build point to Center Half Forward or Ruckrover
- Selection. We can not progress with Russel, Wiggins and Cloke in the side. How many chances have these guys had. Surely O'hailpin should have played against Sandilands & surely his physicality is worth a game. O'hailpin is not the answer but better than Cloke.
- Nick Stevens. Trade
-Gibbs not sure if he is runs the lines or kicks to advantage.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:30 pm 
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aramari wrote:
PROS
35 inside 50s in second half

CONS
3 goals in second half

We won inside 50s 67 - 46 for the game

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


Cons:-
Perhaps teams are sitting back letting us in then getting us on the counter knowing we dont run hard enough the other way.
We didnt convert though again and it is costing us.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:30 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Kade Simpson, just awful.


I thought he tried to lift us when we were getting smashed. But was ordinary all up


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:33 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
There were no pros tonight

- We wont play finals. This was a must win game which revealed a lack of true desire, football nouse and coaching smarts
- Coaching. Forward structure (why didnt Waite stay at Full forward) Decision making when entering the forward line
Kruezer will never be a number one ruckman. I don't care how young he is. His athleticism and slight build point to Center Half Forward or Ruckrover
- Selection. We can not progress with Russel, Wiggins and Cloke in the side. How many chances have these guys had. Surely O'hailpin should have played against Sandilands & surely his physicality is worth a game. O'hailpin is not the answer but better than Cloke.
- Nick Stevens. Trade
-Gibbs not sure if he is runs the lines or kicks to advantage.


We are still in the 8, may play finals, that kind of year.

Not sure Gibbs is supposed to run the lines. When we've won, he's been the link man in the centre square.

Trade Stevens? To Frankston? Who would want him?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:35 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:35 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Kade Simpson, just awful.


I thought he tried to lift us when we were getting smashed.


I agree with this.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:36 pm 
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Laurie Kerr

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aramari wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Kade Simpson, just awful.


I thought he tried to lift us when we were getting smashed. But was ordinary all up


Has been a favourite of mine for the past few seasons but I have noted this season that his first reaction is to run backwards or in a big loop even when he is on his favoured left side. Maybe he is injured and is no longer backing himself in to outrun his opponent.


If we do have a new gameplan, which is debatable, he doesn't seem to quite fit in.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:41 pm 
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Bruce Comben

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Pro's
Murphy
Kruezer.
Joseph
Bower OK.
Yarran (Reasonable 1st game) - In and out but looks classy but looks like he is jogging and not pushing to contests. Not sure if this is actually happening though

Cons
Everyone else including Judd and Gibbs
Gibbs stops every time he gets the ball, slowing us down, then leans back on a quarterback kick. By that time we are covered by a harder running opposition. Judd is all class and runs all game but i think he needs to show more presence on the ground as a leader not just a player. I dont notice his on ground leadership.
Cloke - Setanta a much more mobile and fitter option if you have to choose between 2 average players. Dont sign Clokoe when contract next comes up. I think Setanta can present as well if not better than cloke and in the correct places
Wiggins - time for a rest
Hampson - Project player !!!! He is unco. Simple as that. Get rid of him and get a footballer. If you cant catch a ball then you are never going to make AFL. I don’t care how high you can jump and how fast you can run. In fact jumping higher probably makes it harder to catch a ball and running fast to the wrong place is worse than getting to the correct place slowly.
Russell - I have always been a fan but has had enough time now and has no presence on the ground.
Brett Thornton - Same as Gibbs. Stops looks, decides against first option, waits till we are covered and kicks to a contest or backwards. Usually quite clean but low on confidence. Is he worth anything in a trade?
Fev - injured or not you have to make position if for nothing else but to open space for another opponent
Rattan (and co).- Is lost for options and has simply failed to work out a forward setup. There was plenty of space tonight and it should have been easy to find it. Surely the big wigs are questioning his selections as many on here have. Relies on us winning the stoppages and when that does not work then he cant re-work a new situation. I am starting to worry about him as coach.

We were consistently waiting for the ball to be delivered to us rather than getting in and grabbing the sherrin. Dockers were better and deserved to win probably by more than 8 points. The start of the 3rd q where we missed goals was mainly due to poor setup and taking shots from the boundary.

Definietly not top four material and one of many teams in the race for the bottom 4

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:45 pm 
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Cons:

*The two players TC sponsors had abysmal games. JR only just shaded Bower - who could not do a thing right all night.

*To the 'abysmal' list - add Stevens, Jamison to the list.

*Lacked desire.

*Only about 10 players turned up to play on the night.

*Fev either twinging something in the first 20 seconds (unlikely), OR - playing with an very debilitating injury... which is just not on.

*Not playing like a top 4 side... not even playing like a top 8 side. Shades of the past 5 years were on show tonight.

*5 behinds in a row. Not the first time this year poor kicking has cost us.

*Another close game lost. Do we not possess the ability to win close contests?!?


Pros:

*Freo were teriffic tonight...

*Armfield, Austin, Judd and Murphy turned up to play. Should have brought their mates...

**edit** - Sorry, forgot Kreuzer. Played like a midfielder - did it better than most of his teammates...

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:50 pm 
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anfield wrote:
simonverbeek wrote:
Hit The Boundary wrote:
Pro:
the usual suspects (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs (intensity?), Kruze around the ground. Special mention to Bower. Some of the kids looked alright and showed the way of the future (Armfield, Joseph, Austin looked ok,Yarran in part (needs to learn to tackle).



I like your username!!

Is it to describe Carlton's game plan??



:lol: :lol:

unfortunately it looks that way doesn't it....I wish we were more direct too.....No its from the great call of Ted Whitten and Butch Gale in the 1966 GF when the Saints beat the pies....i remember seeing it for many a year on the footy marathon... i trot it out myself when we are less than a goal up late in the final qtr.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:50 pm 
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No Grigg and Walker :cry:


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