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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:40 pm 
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Walls obviously rates Armfield, Joseph and Bentley very highly. He's getting old.



I think he based the article on the regular players that have been there for some time

Houlihan 168 games
Thornton - 130 +
Wiggins - 109 games
Cloke 53 games
Ohalpin - 48 games
Russell - 53 games


Long enough to be the core group in the team


He is spot on and Simpson is not far off it and Fisher was another one - they just dont step up when needed


Harlett was recruited the same year as Russell. What about Bentick? Bannister? They've all played over 50 games. So have Fisher and Hadley.

He just picked 6 players from the last game without giving it a lot of thought really. He's a constant cracked record these days.



None of those players are getting picked on a regular basis - and if they were Wallsy would be in his right to say bottom dozen -

Hartlett cant break into the team
Fish was a regular and now is struggling - exactly what Walls is saying
Bannister and Bentick just made up the numbers when we were short and wont be there next year

Hadley well he is always injured and went missing along with the rest

The others getted picked almost every week ( or were) get a hand full of possessions don't have hardly any impact on a game.

Wallsy called them bottom 6 - Lyon referred to them as list cloggers

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:44 pm 
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:47 pm 
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.


Walls does have a point - our bottom 5 or 6 failed last weekend - but yes it is true he certainly didn't do much homework or make suggestions on how to improve.

He missed so many players who if fit would walk into the team and be better players, plus the promising kids like Yarran etc.

Paper thin article in the end though there is some merit behind the point he is trying to make. Just wish he had done a better, more robust piece.

Would be nice to be on The Age gravy train. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:49 pm 
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It would make sense if that was the 22 we were taking into a final, or a grand final, but to base it on the team that played in Round 6 is flimsy at best.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:54 pm 
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.



Read the article.

He is basing it on players that are being picked on a REGULAR basis.

How can you rate or include Bannister, Hartlett, Fisher and Bentick if they aren't PLAYING :screwy:

He is NOT worried YET about the first or second year guys who are playing because they will be up and down as it is very early in there careers.

He is talking about guys that have been on our list for 5 or 6 years and have played a fair chunk of the 6 games thus far.

You must watch a different game if YOU think Hadley is in our bottom six.

The article is spot on. I can't remember who it was but someone once said your only as good as your bottom 5 or 6 players.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:56 pm 
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.



Read the article.

He is basing it on players that are being picked on a REGULAR basis.

How can you rate or include Bannister, Hartlett, Fisher and Bentick if they aren't PLAYING :screwy:

He is NOT worried YET about the first or second year guys who are playing because they will be up and down as it is very early in there careers.

You must watch a different game if YOU think Hadley is in our bottom six.

The article is spot on. I can't remember who it was but someone once said your only as good as your bottom 5 or 6 players.

No he's not. He's basing it on the 22 who played Round 6.

As I said, that 22 may never play together again. It's a pretty good chance indeed. All he did was pick 6 players from Round 6 without any thought to other players on our list at all. :screwy:


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:04 pm 
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verbs wrote:
deano35 wrote:
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.



Read the article.

He is basing it on players that are being picked on a REGULAR basis.

How can you rate or include Bannister, Hartlett, Fisher and Bentick if they aren't PLAYING :screwy:

He is NOT worried YET about the first or second year guys who are playing because they will be up and down as it is very early in there careers.

You must watch a different game if YOU think Hadley is in our bottom six.

The article is spot on. I can't remember who it was but someone once said your only as good as your bottom 5 or 6 players.

No he's not. He's basing it on the 22 who played Round 6.

As I said, that 22 may never play together again. It's a pretty good chance indeed. All he did was pick 6 players from Round 6 without any thought to other players on our list at all. :screwy:


So if he is basing it on Round 6 then how did Hunt and Lonergan from Geelong, Ladson, Young and Ellis from the Hawks play last week :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:07 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
verbs wrote:
deano35 wrote:
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All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.



Read the article.

He is basing it on players that are being picked on a REGULAR basis.

How can you rate or include Bannister, Hartlett, Fisher and Bentick if they aren't PLAYING :screwy:

He is NOT worried YET about the first or second year guys who are playing because they will be up and down as it is very early in there careers.

You must watch a different game if YOU think Hadley is in our bottom six.

The article is spot on. I can't remember who it was but someone once said your only as good as your bottom 5 or 6 players.

No he's not. He's basing it on the 22 who played Round 6.

As I said, that 22 may never play together again. It's a pretty good chance indeed. All he did was pick 6 players from Round 6 without any thought to other players on our list at all. :screwy:


So if he is basing it on Round 6 then how did Hunt and Lonergan from Geelong, Ladson, Young and Ellis from the Hawks play last week :lol:

Like i said just READ THE ARTICLE


I've read it, and I had to endure it last Saturday. He also includes Zac Dawson. How do you explain that? I can't.

So it's just pure coincidence that our "worst six" just so happened to play Round 6, and Walls was a commentator at the game? :lol:

Deluded.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:32 pm 
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Haven't got the link but Walls writes today about our last 6 and how they don't measure up against the better sides.

His six I think were Wiggins, Houlihan, Cloke, Russell, Thornton, and one other...??

Wiggins might surprise some but I agree to the extent his kicking for goal lets him and the team down. It's inexcusable really, given the amount of experience Chief now has. I'm sure the man himself would agree he should be getting the sort of shots he misses.

Thornton is the other surprise, but again I can see some merit in what Wallsy is saying. Thornton is not a gun, we all know that now, and he does have a temperament issue sometimes, see the 'double goals' to Essendon*.

The only thing I think Wallsy missed in his article, was he should have talked about the players with talent we have missing right now or who were out last week, ie: Grigg, Walker, Warnock, Hampson, Yarran, Hadley etc, as these types will almost surely replace the Worst Six in the next 1-2 years.


No surprises for me in that list at all...

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:58 pm 
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verbs wrote:
deano35 wrote:
verbs wrote:
deano35 wrote:
verbs wrote:
All Walls did was pick six players with over 40 games who played in Round 6, which is now history making his article largely irrelevant. The 22 who played in Round 6 may very well never play in the same 22 ever again. He's neglected a stack of players on our list just because they didn't play in Round 6. He probably can't even remember who else is on our list.



Read the article.

He is basing it on players that are being picked on a REGULAR basis.

How can you rate or include Bannister, Hartlett, Fisher and Bentick if they aren't PLAYING :screwy:

He is NOT worried YET about the first or second year guys who are playing because they will be up and down as it is very early in there careers.

You must watch a different game if YOU think Hadley is in our bottom six.

The article is spot on. I can't remember who it was but someone once said your only as good as your bottom 5 or 6 players.

No he's not. He's basing it on the 22 who played Round 6.

As I said, that 22 may never play together again. It's a pretty good chance indeed. All he did was pick 6 players from Round 6 without any thought to other players on our list at all. :screwy:


So if he is basing it on Round 6 then how did Hunt and Lonergan from Geelong, Ladson, Young and Ellis from the Hawks play last week :lol:

Like i said just READ THE ARTICLE


I've read it, and I had to endure it last Saturday. He also includes Zac Dawson. How do you explain that? I can't.

So it's just pure coincidence that our "worst six" just so happened to play Round 6, and Walls was a commentator at the game? :lol:

Deluded.


Are you freakin obtuse or something.

How can you rate players as our bottom 6 if they have not played this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I make it simple for you.

Out of the 28 players used this year that is the bottom 6 that need to step up as they will figure in HIS mind prominently this year!!!

And you reckon i'm deluded


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:46 am 
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Shit competition .. everyones got a weak bottom 6.. but its what you do with them...

Organisation makes your bottom 6 look better...

but there has got to be a bottom six in every club...

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:45 am 
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Finally somebody has the balls to say what we've all been thinking. And say what has been shot down by so many people on this forum.


I named Cloke, Setanta and Wiggins as players who will not make up our premiership 22, and Ive been critical of Russell in the past, but I get swarmed upon by all the politically correct spinners on here who dont let you say one bad thing about a player.

I dont know, maybe its cause im from Mill Park?


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:31 am 
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Wallsy is true blue andhas the credentials to write his opinion and for it to belisened.

I agree with him. The players mentioned for the games they have playedneed to be far better than the areat the mo imho.

Its up to them to use this as a spurr andshow him up.

I really like Wiggins but if he misses another easy shot at goal I m going to go insane. Sentiment went out of the game years ago. YES he is trueblue and everybody loves him .... but if he cannot cut the mustard then he needs to be replaced.

Its a great article tht puts some players on the chopping block ... needed to come out into the open.

Hopethey all respondin kind!


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:27 am 
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I have no problem with the gist of Walls' article, but he's wrong about Wiggins and Russell. JR is by no means our best, but he's a long way from our worst. Same with Wiggo.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:06 am 
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..he's full of it, certainly Hoops isn't in our bottom 6.. ..not sure he's ever been in our bottom 6 (aside from first coming to PP)..


Was there ever any doubt that Houlihan would follow a good game in a winning side against the dogs, with a very poor game in a losing side/tight contest against the hawks.

You could have written the script as to his performance against hawthorn, and that is why he is in our bottom 6.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:26 am 
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Good article and pretty accurate.

Houlihan wouldn't be in our bottom six in terms of skills and talent, but he is carrying too many injuries these days to be consistently effective.



The others on the list are automatic selection every week for some reason. I don't understand why but they are.



Thornton wouldn't be in my bottom six at the club (that is based on who play regularly)... but again I understand what Walls is stating.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:01 am 
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Remember we have Grigg, Walks, Johnson, Yarran, Browne, Warnock and Robbo who will make there way into the team. These guys will have an impact and hopefully change the way we play

All 7 are far more are far more promising than the deadwood we are carrying in Cloke, Houla, Wiggins, O'Hailpin, Carrazzo, Stevo and Hadley.

In 2010 you will see a very different Carlton line up. I doubt the players mentioned above will play a part (especially when choco comes in and sweeps teh place clean)


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:30 am 
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Remember we have Grigg, Walks, Johnson, Yarran, Browne, Warnock and Robbo who will make there way into the team. These guys will have an impact and hopefully change the way we play

All 7 are far more are far more promising than the deadwood we are carrying in Cloke, Houla, Wiggins, O'Hailpin, Carrazzo, Stevo and Hadley.

In 2010 you will see a very different Carlton line up. I doubt the players mentioned above will play a part (especially when choco comes in and sweeps teh place clean)


Johnson? Because he's a good kick? :lol:

Agree on the rest. Browne and Robbo were available, just not selected. Go figure.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:55 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Remember we have Grigg, Walks, Johnson, Yarran, Browne, Warnock and Robbo who will make there way into the team. These guys will have an impact and hopefully change the way we play

All 7 are far more are far more promising than the deadwood we are carrying in Cloke, Houla, Wiggins, O'Hailpin, Carrazzo, Stevo and Hadley.

In 2010 you will see a very different Carlton line up. I doubt the players mentioned above will play a part (especially when choco comes in and sweeps teh place clean)


Johnson? Because he's a good kick? :lol:


And use of the ball by foot was spot on last night. No issue there :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:28 pm 
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Walls said on 3AW this afternoon that he has had a MASSIVE reaction (in the positive) to his article. More responses and comments that ever before.

Most have said that he should make it a worst 8-10 players instead of 6.

Most people have said that Fev and Stevens should be added to the list.


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