Just say we make finals this year but miss the year after. Who will make the big call to sack Ratts?

They are all mates, they are all looking after each other.

So far in Ratts 6 games in 09 i'd say he has been out coached 3 out of the 6 times.

This team doesn't have 5 years to win a flag. Realistically we have 3 years. Fev is the man, NO FEV NO PREMIERSHIP!

Can we afford to have a coach who is 'learning' on the job?

I actually think and have been saying that this is going to be a weak season as far as the AFL is concerned.

There are not too many clubs putting their hands up!

Geelong have got 2 A grade midfields.
StKilda are very well organised by some of those players who are their bottom 10 are just fitting into a belief gameplan.

We should be doing between with whats been thrown in front of us...

Raw talent wise were in a better position than most clubs... but its what you do with what you have that counts.

StKilda is doing VERY well with what they have.

I dont reckon we are...

Gilbert Gwilt Blake Jones Dawson etc are battlers
Then they had a few downhill skiers like Montagna Gram Schneider Milne that are doing what needs to be done and understand their role.
Alot of that StKilda backline is really average but the gameplan is their glue.
They understand it.. they believe in it.. and theyre succesful thus far...

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Dont forget to put Ashman in the boys club too.

I am not arguing here. You have some valid points. I just have a different way of looking at things. You seem happy when you are nervous about things and have some targets in your sites. I like to just roll with it for a while and see what happens. Let the people smart successful people put in place do their thing.

Ratts would know we struggle against the full court press (eeek i cant believe i just typed that) type teams. We made inroads on that last week. I reckon he has the team on the drip as far as information is concerned. Reckon he will have us defending solidly as a team next year.
I dont see the Judd Kirk comparison. More like Judd - mid to late Voss. He doesnt have the snake like dash of early years but that happens with all players. He is still starring.

On the coaches box - When Braddles came down at three quarter time and spoke clearly and calmly to fev one on one ,I reckon his message would have hit home a bit more than if Libba had of delivered it. Fev kicked three in the quarter and nearly won us the game.

I like the boys club. It doesnt scare me at all.

PS is this post ok BrizzyBlue? I am trying.

In some ways I agree with Synbad.

That coaching box is a bit of a boys club, however, I do think that they have plenty to offer our current crop of younger players. Particularly our midfielders (gibbs, Murph, Simmo etc).

But let's face it, who honestly believed that Brett Ratten wasn't going to get the coaching gig once the job became available and he threw his hat in to the ring? I remember feeling extremely sorry for Chris Bond when I found out he had an interview for the job. There was absolutely no way he was going to get the nod no matter what he did and from all reports he is quite a good coach - take note Richmond.

In regards to who should be president, would Anthony Pratt be willing to have a crack at the job? Is Ahmed Fahour still lingering in the background? Any other possible replacements?
I also believe that Sticks, while a great Carlton man, isn't presidential material.

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Not happy.. im haoppy when we have premiership 17/18/19/20 etc....
You should always be questioning and examining.... thats what we wernt doing from 1995 onwards till recently...

You dont wanna fall into that smug black hole again.... ive seen it.. i never ever wanna come near that shit again.. leave that for Richmond and North as well as Freo...

You cant have too many guys all from 'exactly the same place' sitting around a table cos all they know is that 'exactly the same p;ace ' they all came from...

Theyre all agreeing ofcourse...

And the putsiders feel they must agree too... os theyre outsiders..

Just a really shit makeup....cos the footy world has changed soooo much since those blokes were involved..

Just ask Cousins...

No im not saying Sticks should get the arse today... but i wouldnt wanna see him there next year.....its a transitional stage ... but sometimes people can talk themselves into believing he would be good to keep for next year.. and then that becomes the year after too...and it perpetuates itself cos its Sticks...

Till the whole thing goes belly up and were here scratching our heads wondering what happened!!

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If we win a flag in the next two or three years teams will be following our blueprint and going for the boys club style coaching panel.

You have some balance to your post. We need a lot more of that around here. Well done!

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Maybe then the other clubs will begin poaching Williams and Ashie you reckon?

Its not fashion.... Boy George and Adam Ant arent coming back in the AFL....

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He he Boy George , Adam Ant.... What were they on about.

You have your way of thinking and i have mine but i reckon the last thing we need is another scrap fight at Carlton. Let the plan Pratt put in place go through it cycle. We owe it to him.
.....its not as though it is failing....just Judd isnt kicking 3 running goals a game.

The talk about it being a boys club is a bit of beat up really.

Most clubs have at least 1 ex player as an assistant coach. Carlton happen to have 2 in Braddles and Lappin who sit in the box.

I have no idea how Lappo goes in the Coaches box but as the Forwards Coach he must be going okay because we are currently running 2nd in the Comp for Points For.

Bradles has nothing to prove as far as his football cred goes so why shouldn't he be in the Coaches box as a legitimate AFL Assistant Coach. He is a calming influence and very level headed when the excitement levels rise. He and Ratts are very close and by all accounts Bradles is and has been an excellent foil and sounding board for Ratts when the pressure is on and tough calls are made.

Teaguey is not in the Coaches box so has no influence. Carlton have bought in outside influences in Icke, Swann, Harvey and Harris who have all been excellent choices. All the Fitness staff have been bought in from outside areas. The inclusion of Harvey and Harris has obviously worked well with Teaguey because our skill level has improved markedly thus far.

Have you ever thought that Sticks might go into the Coaches box because as the President he wants to see how the new Coaching staff perform together under pressure. If he has too agree on any changes at years end, surely he should have 1st hand knowledge of the various staffs strengths and weaknesses.

Williams involvement is minimal other that some skills sessions and I would suggest he also has the runs on the board to contribute in a major way. He is not on the MC or in the Box.

Ashman is a perfect for his role. He has a lengthy career in the field of Education having worked as a teacher at a well regarded Private Melbourne School. He is a wonderful person who can make all the new kids feel right at home in his presence. He knows Education and he knows career advancement for the kids.

To suggest CFC is now a CFC boys club is a slight exaggeration.

Synbad you may not be a fan of Sticks as President but ultimately it is Swanny as CEO who runs the Club so it is in very, very good hands.

Regards Cazzesman

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No one likes the idea of a boys club, but there is a chance that the current structure could be well timed for this particular club. For the best part of a decade we've had a club known for its in-fighting and shafting: Elliot, Britain, Collo, Smorgan, Diggins, Pagan, Mitchell, Camporeale... the list goes on.

I'd say the halls at Royal Parade are far more harmonious in light of the new buddies system and it's probably long overdue. In time, Ratten may be a shit coach and Sticks may be inept as president, but at this stage, everyone being mates is probably an underplayed positive.

And the players have had 2 seasons and 3 preseasons under Lyon to let it sink in.

It takes time for players adapt to certain styles dictated by a new Coach. It took Geelong 10 years to be an overnight success.

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Come on Sailorman - not happy with the present - name your dream team the ones that are going to take us to 17/18/19/20 etc etc

President ..............
Board member..........
Board member..........
Board member..........
Board member..........
Secretary.................
CEO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Coach................
Forward Coach.......
Midfield coach ...........
Backs coach .............
development coach........
Bullants coach...............
Fitness coach..............
Head of Recruitment ...................

Skills coach..............
Tactician..................

Come on instead of sitting back taking potshots your now the man in charge name your team

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StKilda are about 3 years ahead of us in terms of development. Most of their group fall into that 24-28 year/100 + games bracket. If you are comparing them to us you have rocks in your head.

Maybe it was because they didn't want the story getting out before they wanted it too - the way richard wanted it. JE told me that they had pratt lined up once before and someone wanting to bignote shot his mouth off so dick pulled out.

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bananas!!!!!

They have some good players and alot of average players.

Cazzesman it is a boys club by sheer weight of numbers.

You cant have that many blokes from the same background with many of them not having being involved in AFL coaching all sitting around a table at the same time.
Just a recipe for diasaster as there have to be checks and balances .

Sure you point to Swan but i doubt it was Swans idea to sign up Ratts again half way through last year.
Cos he didnt show anything and we eradicated our options.. which is not a great idea.. considering we dont know what tomorrow brings.

Syd...leave this to the grown ups... ok????

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you got nothing - piss and wind again

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lets play nice folks eh ??

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Spot on BS. I have been personally involved with jack since 2003 when he answered my call to come to tassie and take part in a fundraiser to help kids with disabilities and underpriviged kids to play sport. The organisation is The Lord's Taverners ( www.lordstavernerstas.org ) and one of our annual events is The Ron Barassi Debate, a fund look at footy. Jack has come down each year and brought mates like Sam Kekovich, Graeme Mcmahon (who in turn brought Sheedy and Terry Daniher), David Parkin, Jim Buckley - with Mark Robinson and Richard Colless this year. Loves the concept of the Taverners (has been a member for years) and couldn't be more passionate about the cause. That is the generous and private person that few get to see and we love him here in Tassie.
And while on the subject for carlton fans, when he was president he always came down for a blues function and brought top players and the coach. Since then we have had very few events.

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