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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:58 pm 
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Bring in Physco, Hammo and Browne/Anderson

Out goes: Cloke, Bentley and Simmo (may need a rest with corky)

Hammo can take on the giant and share the load with O'Hailpin and play Krooze up forward. All 3 are more mobile than Cloke so thats enough for me

I think we may need a more running side against Freo. Anderson/Browne and Physco could bring that to the table.



Must say I agree with Melvey for once ......................

Got "slammed" for saying to rest some players (but if you look at who I ended up saying should go out only Simmo was really due to "resting" him ...........) but I think there should be a no-risk policy for this game, esp considering the travel and the game against Collingwood the next week (even thought there is a 8 day break ................)

"Rest" Simpson if there is ANY doubt over his Corky (the fact he didn't train today would say there prob is at least a little doubt there). Grigg didn't play in the Ants so shouldn't/wont be in this week. Hadley/Anderson should be in the side IMO depending on which is desided to be more match-fit closer to the game (Anderson if there are ANY question marks over Hadley)

The Dockers are a younger/less rough and tumble side than the Hawks, so Bentley's "toughness" won't be needed (if he actually has any anyway .............). That said Robinson has shown plenty of toughness/grit anyway ....................

I have said before I wan't to see Hammer in the side for Cloke, and have Setanta play the CHF/backup ruck role Cloke does at times. There are some times when I am "happy" (not really, don't want him to do a Josh Fraser, but he will be played there ATM because he is our best option) to see Kreuzer ruck out most of the game (ala against the "ruck" devisions of the Tigers or Hawks ATM) but against Sandilands, NO WAY. Have Hammer take the honours, with Setanta to play back up, and have Kreuzer ruck in the forward line. Kreuzer as the 3rd tall option this week for me (too small to be a CHF option, and don't want to see him crash and bash for the same reason I don't want him rucking this week. Let the mad irishman do it this week, thats what he is made to do. CRASH AND BASH)


Agree with most of what you said, but how can Kreuzer be too small for CHF? :confused:

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:07 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:55 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
coryne wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Bring in Physco, Hammo and Browne/Anderson

Out goes: Cloke, Bentley and Simmo (may need a rest with corky)

Hammo can take on the giant and share the load with O'Hailpin and play Krooze up forward. All 3 are more mobile than Cloke so thats enough for me

I think we may need a more running side against Freo. Anderson/Browne and Physco could bring that to the table.



Must say I agree with Melvey for once ......................

Got "slammed" for saying to rest some players (but if you look at who I ended up saying should go out only Simmo was really due to "resting" him ...........) but I think there should be a no-risk policy for this game, esp considering the travel and the game against Collingwood the next week (even thought there is a 8 day break ................)

"Rest" Simpson if there is ANY doubt over his Corky (the fact he didn't train today would say there prob is at least a little doubt there). Grigg didn't play in the Ants so shouldn't/wont be in this week. Hadley/Anderson should be in the side IMO depending on which is desided to be more match-fit closer to the game (Anderson if there are ANY question marks over Hadley)

The Dockers are a younger/less rough and tumble side than the Hawks, so Bentley's "toughness" won't be needed (if he actually has any anyway .............). That said Robinson has shown plenty of toughness/grit anyway ....................

I have said before I wan't to see Hammer in the side for Cloke, and have Setanta play the CHF/backup ruck role Cloke does at times. There are some times when I am "happy" (not really, don't want him to do a Josh Fraser, but he will be played there ATM because he is our best option) to see Kreuzer ruck out most of the game (ala against the "ruck" devisions of the Tigers or Hawks ATM) but against Sandilands, NO WAY. Have Hammer take the honours, with Setanta to play back up, and have Kreuzer ruck in the forward line. Kreuzer as the 3rd tall option this week for me (too small to be a CHF option, and don't want to see him crash and bash for the same reason I don't want him rucking this week. Let the mad irishman do it this week, thats what he is made to do. CRASH AND BASH)


Agree with most of what you said, but how can Kreuzer be too small for CHF? :confused:


His hight has NEVER been in question, but his weight is a little bit of a grey area for me. Sure he is listed at 99kg, and isn't exactly a stick (TBH he is pretty well built for a 19 yr old), but at his height he is a little under done for a bash and crash, break the packs CHF (which knowing Kreuzer is exactly what he would be, considering the way he throws his body at everything). Oh, and yeah, HE IS 19 YEARS OLD !!!!!!!!!!!! Common, KPP takes YEARS to develop because they are GROWING.

Don't really want him crashing into big bodied ruckmen (211 cm, 123kg) OR smashing open packs.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:58 pm 
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Oh yeah, it looks like it is confirmed, Crowley is out of the game (and a fair chunk of the season by the sounds of it ..............)


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:11 pm 
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If there are any sore players this week I think they are still a chance to play due to the better climate up north.
Hadley will play for sure, don't know who else is a certainty though....

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:22 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Out: Cloke, Bentley
In: Austin, Hadley

Robinson needs more time on the ball in the twos; build up that tank.

Waite goes forward, Setanta moves into full time ruck rotation. Austin takes Thornton's role, Thornton takes Waite's role.

Reasonably happy with the forward pressure Carrots is providing but I think we need a guy like Yarran or Garlett to come in at some point.

Setanta is holding Hammer out of the team until he can be called upon to take primary ruck or play a decent role up forward.

Key will be to choke Freo's run, because they don't have a lot of good disposers of the ball. If we allow them to open up their forward line we will make them look good.

A massive focus this week should be working on when and how to move the ball on; an amazing number of opportunities for knock-ons were missed last week and it really cost us.

Revising this to Hampson & Hadley; apparently Austin is still lacking a bit of fitness.

Structure in defence remains the same and Santy tries to do some damage up forward. He will provide more defensive pressure but I'm not sure how he will fare as a permanent forward. Might be a swingman along with Waite should Sandilands push forward.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:43 pm 
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both bannister and hadley should be inclusions. I think some of us sre getting cocky thinking that this game is already a win. I think the area we lacked the most was strong competitiors who put pressure on hawks ball winners on sat. these 2 guys if anything offer this

dont be suprised if we lose and if we do we go right back into the pack


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:58 am 
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coryne wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Bring in Physco, Hammo and Browne/Anderson

Out goes: Cloke, Bentley and Simmo (may need a rest with corky)

Hammo can take on the giant and share the load with O'Hailpin and play Krooze up forward. All 3 are more mobile than Cloke so thats enough for me

I think we may need a more running side against Freo. Anderson/Browne and Physco could bring that to the table.



Must say I agree with Melvey for once ......................

Got "slammed" for saying to rest some players (but if you look at who I ended up saying should go out only Simmo was really due to "resting" him ...........) but I think there should be a no-risk policy for this game, esp considering the travel and the game against Collingwood the next week (even thought there is a 8 day break ................)

"Rest" Simpson if there is ANY doubt over his Corky (the fact he didn't train today would say there prob is at least a little doubt there). Grigg didn't play in the Ants so shouldn't/wont be in this week. Hadley/Anderson should be in the side IMO depending on which is desided to be more match-fit closer to the game (Anderson if there are ANY question marks over Hadley)

The Dockers are a younger/less rough and tumble side than the Hawks, so Bentley's "toughness" won't be needed (if he actually has any anyway .............). That said Robinson has shown plenty of toughness/grit anyway ....................

I have said before I wan't to see Hammer in the side for Cloke, and have Setanta play the CHF/backup ruck role Cloke does at times. There are some times when I am "happy" (not really, don't want him to do a Josh Fraser, but he will be played there ATM because he is our best option) to see Kreuzer ruck out most of the game (ala against the "ruck" devisions of the Tigers or Hawks ATM) but against Sandilands, NO WAY. Have Hammer take the honours, with Setanta to play back up, and have Kreuzer ruck in the forward line. Kreuzer as the 3rd tall option this week for me (too small to be a CHF option, and don't want to see him crash and bash for the same reason I don't want him rucking this week. Let the mad irishman do it this week, thats what he is made to do. CRASH AND BASH)


Sorry Coryne, that was me who "slammed" you.

I probably shouldn't have quoted your post as, as you say, you didn't eventually advocate resting anyone.

I was just hot under the collar from some previous posts and your post included the word "rest".

Anyway, hopefully we are 4-3 after this week. Go Blues.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:22 am 
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I'm also for making a few changes this week.

Definitely IN: Hampson
Definitely OUT: Bentley

Want to find room for: Hadley, Robbo and Austin if fit. Yarran , Anderson, Bannister and a few others are not far off which puts good pressure on the list.

As for those six or so players that Walls mentioned on Saturday I have no doubt that a spell in the 2's might actually be what is needed for them to step up. Every now and then you might do a developing player a favour by dropping him back into the easier grade for a week or two.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:14 am 
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With Crowley being out, hopefully Stevo can breath a bit and do some damage.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:24 am 
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With Crowley being out, hopefully Stevo can breath a bit and do some damage.


Crowley was all over Judd last year. I cant see how they can cover our midfield this week. Just too deep and too classy. Should be a comfortable win.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:05 am 
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kkk wrote:
coryne wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Bring in Physco, Hammo and Browne/Anderson

Out goes: Cloke, Bentley and Simmo (may need a rest with corky)

Hammo can take on the giant and share the load with O'Hailpin and play Krooze up forward. All 3 are more mobile than Cloke so thats enough for me

I think we may need a more running side against Freo. Anderson/Browne and Physco could bring that to the table.



Must say I agree with Melvey for once ......................

Got "slammed" for saying to rest some players (but if you look at who I ended up saying should go out only Simmo was really due to "resting" him ...........) but I think there should be a no-risk policy for this game, esp considering the travel and the game against Collingwood the next week (even thought there is a 8 day break ................)

"Rest" Simpson if there is ANY doubt over his Corky (the fact he didn't train today would say there prob is at least a little doubt there). Grigg didn't play in the Ants so shouldn't/wont be in this week. Hadley/Anderson should be in the side IMO depending on which is desided to be more match-fit closer to the game (Anderson if there are ANY question marks over Hadley)

The Dockers are a younger/less rough and tumble side than the Hawks, so Bentley's "toughness" won't be needed (if he actually has any anyway .............). That said Robinson has shown plenty of toughness/grit anyway ....................

I have said before I wan't to see Hammer in the side for Cloke, and have Setanta play the CHF/backup ruck role Cloke does at times. There are some times when I am "happy" (not really, don't want him to do a Josh Fraser, but he will be played there ATM because he is our best option) to see Kreuzer ruck out most of the game (ala against the "ruck" devisions of the Tigers or Hawks ATM) but against Sandilands, NO WAY. Have Hammer take the honours, with Setanta to play back up, and have Kreuzer ruck in the forward line. Kreuzer as the 3rd tall option this week for me (too small to be a CHF option, and don't want to see him crash and bash for the same reason I don't want him rucking this week. Let the mad irishman do it this week, thats what he is made to do. CRASH AND BASH)


Sorry Coryne, that was me who "slammed" you.

I probably shouldn't have quoted your post as, as you say, you didn't eventually advocate resting anyone.

I was just hot under the collar from some previous posts and your post included the word "rest".

Anyway, hopefully we are 4-3 after this week. Go Blues.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:40 am 
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I don't want a comfortable win.....

If we play ok football we should win this...BUT
We should be playing the sort of footy which leaves Freo wondering what hit them. There shouldn't be any easy possession or an easy goal for them. We should tackle and harass (and PROTECT!) like our lives depends on it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:26 pm 
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Agree fully bilic... if we lose this game, i dont care what anyone says we are going backwards. If we are moving forward we need to beat teams like this.
If we lose i honestly believe we dont deserve to play finals

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:38 pm 
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..if we play like we did rnds 1,5,6 (and even rnd 2 actually) we should win.. ..agree that Pav's a star, but with the injuries freo has, even with Pav havin' a great individual game, he won't carry them across the line.. ..our midfield will smash theirs, and even with Sandy hoggin' the hitouts, most of them will be sharked by the good guys.. ..though instead of just conceding hitouts i'd bring in Hammer and have him be #1 ruck.. ..he can jump all over Sandy [not known for getting his feet off the earth].. ..Krooz can play Fwd and ruck relieve Hammer..

..for me..

..out: Bent (dropped) & Cloke (big Hammer coming in)
..in: Hammertime & Hadley/Browne

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Who takes the giant Sandilands when he goes forward and headjob Havery will exploit our lack of height and size down back.

I saw some footage of Sandiland standing against Glass on the weekend, Glass looked like a midget. In the marking contest, Glass had no chance against him. Maybe Kruooze might need to play as that tall backman.

These are the games we have to win and win it well.....

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bosman wrote:
Who takes the giant Sandilands when he goes forward and headjob Havery will exploit our lack of height and size down back.

I saw some footage of Sandiland standing against Glass on the weekend, Glass looked like a midget. In the marking contest, Glass had no chance against him. Maybe Kruooze might need to play as that tall backman.

These are the games we have to win and win it well.....


If Sandilands goes forward, I would expect that Freo will be worrying about how to counter our midfield and how many goals Fev is kicking the other end.

When Sandilands goes forward, I'd expect the pressure of our midfield to slow the movement into the Freo Forward 50 allowing support for whoever plays on him.

Play with the intensity of Saturday and Freo won't get close to us. Game is ours to lose.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:49 pm 
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bosman wrote:
Who takes the giant Sandilands when he goes forward and headjob Havery will exploit our lack of height and size down back.

I saw some footage of Sandiland standing against Glass on the weekend, Glass looked like a midget. In the marking contest, Glass had no chance against him. Maybe Kruooze might need to play as that tall backman.

These are the games we have to win and win it well.....


IIRC Hammer has spent a little time in Defence in the Ants so he quite possibly could just do a job by rucking/shadowing Saniland all game, and use his athleticism to run off him ................


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Rafalution wrote:
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Who takes the giant Sandilands when he goes forward and headjob Havery will exploit our lack of height and size down back.

I saw some footage of Sandiland standing against Glass on the weekend, Glass looked like a midget. In the marking contest, Glass had no chance against him. Maybe Kruooze might need to play as that tall backman.

These are the games we have to win and win it well.....


If Sandilands goes forward, I would expect that Freo will be worrying about how to counter our midfield and how many goals Fev is kicking the other end.

When Sandilands goes forward, I'd expect the pressure of our midfield to slow the movement into the Freo Forward 50 allowing support for whoever plays on him.

Play with the intensity of Saturday and Freo won't get close to us. Game is ours to lose.


Equally, our forwards need to be at their defensive best to stop their defensive playmakers.

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If Sandilands goes forward we need to surgically attach Joseph to the top of Bower and put them on him.

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