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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:16 pm 
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You can see old Carlton infuence.. inside the coaches box.
Williams Braddles Ratts and behind them Sticks... (not sure what he is doing there and the others have hardly had an orthodox baptism into modern day coaching... )

Would be hard for Reilly and Montgomery in there.


You seem to be insinuating that the influence of Williams, Braddles and Ratts woud be a bad influence...if this is the case I do not agree.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:26 pm 
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On Jacks website today Kouta asked him about becoming President again and Jack stated he had his time in there and he doesn't believe in going back he had 20 years 449 games and it is now up to Kernahan and others to take the club forward .

So don't worry he has no intention of coming back in any official capacity

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:43 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
You can see old Carlton infuence.. inside the coaches box.
Williams Braddles Ratts and behind them Sticks... (not sure what he is doing there and the others have hardly had an orthodox baptism into modern day coaching... )

Would be hard for Reilly and Montgomery in there.


You seem to be insinuating that the influence of Williams, Braddles and Ratts woud be a bad influence...if this is the case I do not agree.



Why not?

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:47 pm 
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murraycray wrote:
The general consensus seems to be Sticks is an idiot, and will be a lame duck pres.
Not only do I think that assumption is false, but also insulting to a bloke who has done
everything in his power to see the club survive and prosper.
I'm certain Dick would not only have tutored Sticks on what would be required of him while
president, but would also have counselled him on the right time to stand aside when a viable
alternative emerges,
Sticks is merely holding the fort. GET OFF HIS BACK !!


He is holding the fort as he held the fort with Elliot then Collo.. then Denis....and Smorgo..

Lucky Pratt came along....

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:05 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
You can see old Carlton infuence.. inside the coaches box.
Williams Braddles Ratts and behind them Sticks... (not sure what he is doing there and the others have hardly had an orthodox baptism into modern day coaching... )

Would be hard for Reilly and Montgomery in there.


You seem to be insinuating that the influence of Williams, Braddles and Ratts woud be a bad influence...if this is the case I do not agree.



Why not?


Nah ur right dude ...they were shit footballers and have got nothing of value to offer from a coaching perspective... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:04 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
You can see old Carlton infuence.. inside the coaches box.
Williams Braddles Ratts and behind them Sticks... (not sure what he is doing there and the others have hardly had an orthodox baptism into modern day coaching... )

Would be hard for Reilly and Montgomery in there.


You seem to be insinuating that the influence of Williams, Braddles and Ratts woud be a bad influence...if this is the case I do not agree.



Why not?


Nah ur right dude ...they were shit footballers and have got nothing of value to offer from a coaching perspective... :thumbsup:



Oh i see!!!

You make a remarkable point!!!

Point taken!!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Synbad wrote:
You can see old Carlton infuence.. inside the coaches box.
Williams Braddles Ratts and behind them Sticks... (not sure what he is doing there and the others have hardly had an orthodox baptism into modern day coaching... )

Would be hard for Reilly and Montgomery in there.


You seem to be insinuating that the influence of Williams, Braddles and Ratts woud be a bad influence...if this is the case I do not agree.



Why not?


Nah ur right dude ...they were shit footballers and have got nothing of value to offer from a coaching perspective... :thumbsup:



Oh i see!!!

You make a remarkable point!!!

Point taken!!!


To be fair Synners, you haven't exactly put forward your argument. I'd like to hear it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:12 pm 
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In regards to the coaches box?

Its the most underqualified coaches box of all.
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)
Williams Zero (Hasnt played in a decade)
Braddles zero.. (unless one day at StKilda counts)
Sticks?Whats he doing there?
Lappin?
Teague??

And if you happen to be Reilly or Montgomery i reckon youd feel like an outsider in there.....

Not sure what you know about dynamics... but you can easily get a whole heap of blokes taking a bath together and drinking the bath water...

Bit of a boys club in my opinion....

..Is Sticks a strong enough president?

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:39 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
In regards to the coaches box?

Its the most underqualified coaches box of all.
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)
Williams Zero (Hasnt played in a decade)
Braddles zero.. (unless one day at StKilda counts)
Sticks?Whats he doing there?
Lappin?
Teague??

And if you happen to be Reilly or Montgomery i reckon youd feel like an outsider in there.....

Not sure what you know about dynamics... but you can easily get a whole heap of blokes taking a bath together and drinking the bath water...

Bit of a boys club in my opinion....

..Is Sticks a strong enough president?



Pratt endorsed him

I knew it wouldn't be long that you come out of the wood work having a go at Sticks

He was good enough for the money man but not good enough for you

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:50 pm 
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If its experience you want, we could get Sheeds and I hear that Wallace, Malthouse and Williams all will looking for a new home at years end.







Pass? O.K Ratts will have to do

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:38 pm 
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If its experience you want, we could get Sheeds and I hear that Wallace, Malthouse and Williams all will looking for a new home at years end.







Pass? O.K Ratts will have to do


Wouldnt mind Williams....

He understands ther game...

Probably abit stale at Port.. been there a long time and has done brilliuantly overall.

And its not just about the head coach.... its everybody else in there with him.

Not alot of diversity... alot of blokes who played the game a long long time ago... as team mates...

Not an ideal mix...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:40 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)


Plenty here know everything about footy and some havent even played or coached a game in their lives.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:49 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
In regards to the coaches box?

Its the most underqualified coaches box of all.
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)
Williams Zero (Hasnt played in a decade)
Braddles zero.. (unless one day at StKilda counts)
Sticks?Whats he doing there?
Lappin?
Teague??

And if you happen to be Reilly or Montgomery i reckon youd feel like an outsider in there.....

Not sure what you know about dynamics... but you can easily get a whole heap of blokes taking a bath together and drinking the bath water...

Bit of a boys club in my opinion....

..Is Sticks a strong enough president?



Pratt endorsed him

I knew it wouldn't be long that you come out of the wood work having a go at Sticks

He was good enough for the money man but not good enough for you


Pratt is also a footy supporter...

He understands deals and money.. doesnt mean he understands footy.

We have few problems of field..
We have the best player in the comp and he is our Cameron Ling/Brett Kirk.. "Give it to the champ"
We have the best fullforward in the league... but thats all we know...
The team gets gutted by oranised footy teams...

And again your argument is flawed....

Pratt may have spent money on the club but that doesnt mean were doing everything right...

As a matter of fact its more vital that we are now.. cos he has passed away...

I dont get your simplistic mentality to Pratt "endorsed him"....

Pratt loves Sticks.. Jack loved Sticks.. Smorgon loved Stifks..Collo did too... at some time they have all endorsed him..

Sticks was a Carlton playing great!!!.... but it doesnt mean he has the mind or the strength to preside over the club....

We have seen Sticks endorse everybody so far!!!!... presidents... coaches... players....

There is noone Sticks hasnt endorsed... under every nook and cranny of the club.... sticks has endorsed....

Hes even tried to kick out Pagan .. and then when that didnt work.. he endorsed him...

Sticks hedges every bet.....
Thats the Sticks way...

Not having a go at him as a Carlton person... just about whether he has what it takes to make REAL decisions...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:51 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)


Plenty here know everything about footy and some havent even played or coached a game in their lives.

Yeah.. correct...

That doesnt mean anything though does it?
Just backs up what im saying.....

We might all be in the same boat except he played 10 years ago..a nd coached Norwood/Ringwood...

Doesnt mean he is the best for the club....IMHO

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:51 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)


Plenty here know everything about footy and some havent even played or coached a game in their lives.


You are 100% correct, however there are a number of posters on this forum who are extremely well connected to the inner sanctum of the club. Some of these guys fully understand the dynamics of what makes a successful club tick, having lived through the ups and downs of our recent history. Then again there are also a number of posters who wouldn't know shit from clay. Sorting out the wheat from the chaff isn't too difficult. All you gotta do is look at the history of the poster and then you can ascertain whether they have any credibility or are just another Bay 13 type blowhard. I would suggest that you undertake this exercise before claiming that some people here don't understand the game! :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:02 pm 
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BrizzyBlue wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratts has had one year of asst coaching.(Norwood and then at Ringwood in the East suburban league)


Plenty here know everything about footy and some havent even played or coached a game in their lives.


You are 100% correct, however there are a number of posters on this forum who are extremely well connected to the inner sanctum of the club. Some of these guys fully understand the dynamics of what makes a successful club tick, having lived through the ups and downs of our recent history. Then again there are also a number of posters who wouldn't know shit from clay. Sorting out the wheat from the chaff isn't too difficult. All you gotta do is look at the history of the poster and then you can ascertain whether they have any credibility or are just another Bay 13 type blowhard. I would suggest that you undertake this exercise before claiming that some people here don't understand the game! :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:05 pm 
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On the sdame note some people didnt think we needed the early draft picks...

Now theyre having abit of a wank over Murphy/Gibbs/Kreuzer/Judd and Stevens...

Wouldnt have been a iles and iles away if we had have taken the opposite route (Jordan Russells)the 10 meaningless games of footy that season...

How meaningless???

Well none of them mean anything today.

There were people on our board that went along with that mentality too... for a while.....

Footy people can get caught up in old world mentalities.

Life is about forever being dynamic...

We have too many people around from the same gene pool and the same era...

I might be wrong of course....

But i wouldnt have gone that route ...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:16 pm 
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Oh! and by the way... there were some people who thought we should trade Lance aged 23 cos he wouldnt be playing footy at 28.. and Campo...cos hes a selfish crab....

... and some people that were loyal to them and believed they could get the job done...

Loyalty blinds sometimes.....

Sticks isnt presidential material..
We dont need a massive board... we need to trim the fat...
and our coaching group... should be closely looked at come the end of the year regardless of what happens this year...especially assistants..

There was NO REASON to sign Ratts up last year.... he wasnt going anywhere and it very doubtful anyone would poach him....

Its just friendship... we should always stay seperate to business...

He had nothing to prove himself when we did re sign him...

Everyone should be made to earn everything...

It keeps things hungry on all quarters!!!

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You are unbelievable the second most successful businessman in Australia's history thinks he is the right man for the job

but a sniper from the gallery thinks he is not up to it :roll: :roll:


I will take the word of Ryszard Przecicki over yours

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Sydney Blue wrote:
You are unbelievable the second most successful businessman in Australia's history thinks he is the right man for the job

but a sniper from the gallery thinks he is not up to it :roll: :roll:


I will take the word of Ryszard Przecicki over yours



You must think i care what you think?

I just write my thoughts......

Maybe Sticks should take over Visy????

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