He's a larrikin, blokes like larikins - i do too because generally they're fun to be around.

But John Elliott isn't just a larrikin, he's a deadset knob who's too enamoured with his own self importance. You can try and sugar coat it all you like but he single handedly nearly destroyed the club i love to death. And has never once appologised.

I personally couldn't give 2/5ths of @#$%&! all what he does in his own time because i'm not in that circle. But i'm in the circle of a football club that was [REDACTED] over well and truly and treated as a toy for his own morbid pleasure.

Maybe, if he had any sort of gratitude and respect in his body we may well have PP as a 3rd ground now. But it was all about John flower Elliott.

And don't worry BS, he's heard it all face to face from me already. I doubt i'm the only one.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Never has there been a greater waste of taxpayers money. I've been involved in many sporting feasibility studies and even those on the inside (Government and private enterprise) are bewildered at this.

Its all about property development. The quickest way to get an area developed and provide facilities is to have an attraction that will bring 30000 people every week to the area.
I would only think it would be needed if the Etihad AFL deals can't be improved and it is significantly cheaper to play AFL at this new stadium. Otherwise whats the point.

The MCC (council) wont put in to develop Visy Park and there isnt the parking or transport to move mass numbers through there anyway.

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Visy park aside, looking into another stadium is an extreme waste of taxpayers money. I thought that docklands (etihad) stadium had an agreement that no other stadium could be built in the area????

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In regards to parking, they could always go under ground with multiple entry/exit points. It would benefit the university as well.

Apparently the etihad stadium deal would have to be renegotiated as there is some clause that another new stadium cant be built. Apparently says nothing about redeveloping an existing stadium though. Problem is that apparently there is $$ budgeted/available to redevelop that part of docklands/nth melb station etc and any plan could use those $$ rather than go looking for funding elsewhere. Problem with our turf is the parking/transport/access, has been for 30+ years, hasnt gotten any better. As quaint as the tramride up Elizabeth st is, it probably isnt going to satisfy the town planners anytime soon.

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

Swann just on MMM saying that the proposal for Visy Park hosting football again "has some chance"....I wouldn't be reading too much in to that since the only other answer is "no chance" and making that claim would be counter-productive to the clubs' point of leverage.

My questions are:

If we do put the seats back in and re-jig the building plans to accommodate the stadium until 2025 (when the AFL can build their own??) what is the effect on our elite development centre?
How much would it cost us?
What is the guarantee of getting that capital back?

Also, am I right to understand that the rule stating that only existing playing venues can be used makes Visy Park the ONLY card in the deck for the AFL - i.e. Bob Jane is out as South haven't played there since the 80s and Port Melb can't be used as it hasn't been an AFL venue?

I think we would be putting the playing group at a disadvantage if we compromise the elite training facility to accommodate the AFL. Not out of some kind of "where were they ten years ago" spite, but because we have seen how much of an advantage the BEST fecilities can be.

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Glad that article came out to back up my information. If Visy Park was to host games it would be on AFL terms so Carlton would not make a cent out of it. This is why games will not be played at Visy Park.

The last thing the AFL wants is Carlton ripping off the AFL and other teams.

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Wot about the Haymarket Station on the proposed Fottscray-Caulfield rail tunnel? And royal park station? It's not far at all. In the future why do we demand massive parking to be provided next door to big venues?
Although I do think the Government is good at getting kudos for announcing big projects that will not happen in my lifetime.

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because our public transport system is absolute garbage.

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Interesting article on The Age online - looks like Swanny could be sweet-talking the afl into breaking the impasse between afl and dome/G by having the AFL fix up the dunnies etc and using VP as the 3rd option.

By golly I hope so...

I thought the days of watching a game at VP, having a kick on the ground afterwards and then walking over to the great northern for beers and dinner were but a wishful memory...

(sorry i can't post the link, computer illiterate)

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ps thanks to the mods for moving my post, hadn't seen the other thread

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"You're my boy(s), Bluuuee(s)..."

You haven't been on Sydney public transport, have you?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I reckon Swanny/AFL are bluffing.

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There's so much I could say...

The third stadium has to be to the same level of comfort as Etihad or the new MCG or not enough people will go to the games.

Its counter-efficient to our planning and budgets to be spending money on Visy Park, getting it up to that standard. Its a training and player development facility, not a spectator venue. If the AFL wants to pay for that, go ahead... but the new facilities are ours and ours alone.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Andy D and the others at the AFL who today stated that OO / Visy / our home/ Princes Park...is a viable option for games in the future.

I therefore declare that I apologise to CR and many others.

Damn you AFL
Damn you those who forced us out......

only because we trusted you and therefore i spoke for the move ....
CR yes I will repay the debt owing ...as soon as the first game is held there.

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Stay tuned We're in for a BUMPY ride

demetriou on etihad : food's up, carparking is up

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

People, people...

Let's hold off until Graeme Samuel brings down his findings on the ACCC investigation into anti-competitive behaviour by ES and the MCG. As a zealous defender of transparency in business I'm sure he'll do everything in his power to ensure the stadium clients (the clubs) aren't disadvantaged by the ground rationalisation policies he drove as an AFL commissioner, trustee of the MCG trust and the Docklands authority.

The word is that the ACCC will levy a $36 million fine to be shared by the MCG and ES which will be channelled into the renovation of VISY Park for the playing of 30 AFL matches per year.

Greg Swann was on Sports Today last night.
The advanatages of using Visy Park was that carlton would deliver the AFL a "clean " stadium for advertising, catering and beverage rights. The AFL would be the manager. Gerald Haely said carlton would get a big fat rental cheque from the AFL and Swann laughed.

Durrwayne said that his sources tell him the AFL and MCC/State Govt are close to a deal on better returns for MCG clubs meaning the 3 way war would become a 2 way war

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Speaking of Knob Head...... aka Grahame Samuals......... Can he look into why i'm forced to pay the same amount for a Light Beer as i am for a Heavy despite the fact there is at least $100 difference in cost per keg?

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