I did think Richmond supporters seriously thought they influenced their teams performance. Looks like Carlton supporters are no different. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

If you think those two matches have anything in common other than the fact that a team called "Carlton" were playing in them both, then you need to see someone.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I had the exact same thought Verbs Are you Robert Walls?

But seriously, agree with you here.

This idea that if we fans congratulate the team for a gallant loss we're dooming the team to continued mediocrity is silly.

Of course it's silly. We don't make any difference one way or the other. It's not going to make us St Kilda, Richmond, Geelong or the Souths Sharks Superules.

Am I missing something. Last time I checked, this website was a forum for "supporters sharing opinions". Had I known this website was for "influencing teams performances", I would've really cranked it up.

VERBS-any large class of words in language that serve to indicate the occurrence or performance of an action
I figure that if you can't understand the difference between supporters sharing opinions and supporters influencing team performances, you might need some didactic support with the definition of your own username.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

So this "we", and "we'll become a StK or Fre" is who exactly?

The faires?

Disappointing loss, but after cooling off and looking back at what transpired we were always playing catch up, rolling the dice footy all the way through. The come back in the last 5 minutes was more about hawthorn being knackered than us lifting. When we needed to lift (at the start of the last) we didn't and therefore deserved to lose in the end.

The team is definitely more competitive than last year IMO but the lineup still needs some major fine tuning and change in personnel. Cloke should now make way for Hampson long term and lets see what this kid has to offer. I feel he and kruezer would be much more mobile and both would be a plus across HF. Seeing Cloke outmarked by Lewis on the wing in the last when the game was in the balance was very Collingwood-like and pretty much sums up Clokeys future for me.

Bentley was tried and the trial failed miserably...fair enough but no repeats thanks. Wiggins??? Yeah we all love him...great heart....blah blah blah but the guy just is not in the same league as top flight teams like Hawthorn or our top ten players for that matter. Those on this forum who continue to pump this guy up as being in our top six, I say to you... you have no idea.

Re the defence I thought they played well with the exception of the Thornton/Roughhead matchup. I've never been a big fan of Thornton and have advocated for his trade for a couple of years now...nothing personal..just IMO I do not think he has what it takes...not in defence anyway and I mean that as regards ANY position in defence. I'd like to see Ratten play him at the other end of the ground as a trial. Maybe up foward he can get some confidence after all the beatings he keeps taking down back.

Austin should be trialed down back in the coming weeks to see how far has come. It is important to lock in this 3rd tall defender by years end as together with the first ruck position IMO are the two distinct holes in the side at the moment. Once rectified we will improve markedly. Some will say CHF is a problem also but this will be resolved automatically if the other two are taken care of, i.e. Waite (joker to be used at both ends) & Kruezer/Carlos at CHF.

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Rephrase...."Agree with all the positives about the game..........but if we focus on them too much, It is my opinion, and my opinion only and an opinion that does not reflect that of other supporters or the inner sanctum of the club, we will become a StK or Freo"

Is that OK?

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I am surprised that some posters are surprised that other posters think the sky has fallen in. If ever there has been a place for negativity it is TC after a loss!

The "we" being you or us devoted Carlton supporters?

Either or, how will that turn Carlton into St Kilda or Fremantle?

It’s called Carpe Diem And now I'm off to see someone, my old Latin teacher.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

At this point, I wish to exercise my right to disengage from this discussion. An old Denis Paganism comes to mind.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Good move.

If you can prove how "we" will turn Carlton into St Kilda or Fremantle, you could end up very rich indeed.

Thornton CHF or close to goal for a few games would be interesting. Agree all above - but somehow have always felt that he might be a better player in attack.

he meant nothing more than applauding "honourable" losses leaves us (the supporters) akin to St.Kilda and Freo supporters. I reckon its a fair comment.

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

still should have kicked it

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one you knock back is one you never have

Thanks for your support cranium but I'm a big boy, I'll be Ok....really

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I can mostly see positives from today, we're getting there, it'll take time and we'll have ups and downs but we WILL get there.

With each week we can work out what our best team line up is.

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

verbs and prelim - please ease up.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

So you didn't go to the 1993 Grand Final?

We've had more devastating losses than this since 2002.

We nearly snatched victory from the jaws of defeat against the reigning Premier who were up by 25 points IIRC.

No one accepts or enjoyed the loss, yet this game was miles ahead of where we were two years ago.

Hawthorn supporters reacted like it was a draw and they got out of jail.

Plenty of upside with Hadley, Walker, Warnock, Grigg, Browne, Robinson, Austin, Hampson and Yarran on the sidelines.

I'd take this result ahead of having our pants pulled down by St Kilda at the G in front of 39,000 in 2006.

Carlton scored just four goals that day.

Fevola kicked them all.