revamp caulder park raceway into an afl stadium.. they have the land for parking, trainline runs right behind it, should be able to fix up the roads to handle the flow of traffic. bingo.

_________________
R A D I C A L B R O T H E R S

Inspired by the One-Minute Sculptures of Erwin Wurm

"All in all is all we are..."

I agree... Give 'em nuthin.

_________________
Heartbeat is optional

Yeahhh..........

that's not a bad idea either Shaga...........plenty of space there...........!


kindest regards tommi















if only the AFL had some land East of Melbourne...........near a Freeway............!

now THAT'S a good idea...........!

_________________
that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Gotta watch out for those beat-up Taragos on Friday arvo

Very interesting article in the Age today highlighting that Melbourne FC lose money if they do not exceed 20,000 spectators.

They got a paltry 14,000 against the Crows this weekend which is high for rugby league but a real loser in the AFL.

They lost $50K from this game and have lost ample $$$ since 2004 when they consistently have attracted crowds below 20,000 and has become the norm against interstate teams.

Melbourne fans were the one of the teams who were up in arms about playing at Princes Park because they couldn't get more than 17,000 to PP for their interstate games.

Well now we know, it wasn't just the parking issue which deterred Demons fans to PP, that was an excuse; it's obvious now that it was the club who couldn't attract them.

Well we know about the story about the boy who cried 'wolf'.

So the moral to the story is that you can go and suck $hit if that's what you want to throw around.

There's no doubt that an increasingly popular footy code with an view to increase the number of clubs playing in the major league was going to need a boutique stadium; Prines Park/ Visy Stadium was the answer and it was there under their noses.

The AFL cut their nose to spite their face. Pathetic Politics.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Actually he is a good bloke and is very free with his time. He has done a lot for an event Blue Beatle is involved with and has enticed a lot of high profile people to help out for nothing.
Say what you like about him as president of Carlton but as a bloke he is worth more than a throwaway line from an anonymous poster on TC.

_________________
Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Well said Bondi

The cabal of Graeme Samuel (who has gone on to distinguish himself greatly ), Wayne Jackson and Ron Evans - really did all they could to ensure that Carlton's redevelopment did not impact on their maniacal desire to ensure the creation of Dockland Stadium.

It was indeed pathetic.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

I like the idea of a 35k stadium at the Showgrounds. It'd be great for teams like North Melbourne and the Bulldogs vs. teams like Freo, Port, etc etc etc.

It's easy to get to on Public Transport too and will probably take DOUBLE the profits than what they would at the dome or the G.

Regardless of wether you like them or not, these teams are in trouble financially and DESRVE to be in the AFL!

_________________
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

Hmm, gets we thinking...the current situation of only 2 stadia in Melbourne is certainly anti-competitive, and an argument can be made that what we're currently seeing involves cartel-like collusion. Must have been another Graeme Samuel who pushed so hard for ground rationalisation.

Graeme Samuel was Chairman of the Olympic Park and Docklands Authority whilst he was on the AFL Commission at the time of the decision to build the stadium at Docklands - not just anti-competitive behaviour.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Footy Classified mentioned that the AFL will perform a feasbility study on bringing back Visy Park as an AFL venue.

Probalby AFL just throwing a jab at the existing grounds but jeez this would have to come up just as our redevelopment nears completion

It's grandstanding (excuse the pun).

Pissing in the wind to be more accurate.

There is zero chance of PP being transformed into an AFL venue.

a) Carlton would have to hand over the lease (relinquish PP as Carlton's home ground). Yeah right!
b) The AFL would have to magically turn it into a stadium that makes a profit from 20,000 people while providing AFL standard facilities. The reason the profitable crowd was about 15,000 under Elliot's reign is that the facilities provided were third world. No way in the world PP can be turned into a stadium that would be a profitable. Especially being a north-south stadium.

_________________
|♥♥♥♥♥♥| http://www.blueseum.org |♥♥♥♥♥♥|

The goals run East-West but you're right it's really just piss and wind from the AFL to make it look like they would consider Princes Park. You would never get AFL/Demetrispew backtracking on this one - too much egg on face.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Sorry AGRO, but the goals are North-South.

Spent many a day in the standing room staring into the sun trying to work out what was happening at the Heatley stand end in the winter.

_________________
|♥♥♥♥♥♥| http://www.blueseum.org |♥♥♥♥♥♥|

? Sitting behind the goals at the Legends Stand end the afternoon sun is right in your eyes. The sun sets in the west. Therefore...

I am interested in why the orientation of the ground matters so much anyway?

Its one of the major reasons why the Legends Stand was so unpopular - because of the appallinginly shallow angle of the seats people would be looking directly into the sun as it set over the Heatley Stand in the West.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Apologies AGRO, I got mixed up.

_________________
|♥♥♥♥♥♥| http://www.blueseum.org |♥♥♥♥♥♥|

If the sun setting is a problem - I've got a good idea - why not kick the game off and 1hour or so earlier so them when the game finishes the setting sun isn't a problem
1.00 oclock game on a Sunday sounds a good idea then they could play the twilight at docklands .
If the AFL feel the need to get a third stadium - PP would be the obvious choice

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Announced today on radio that the State Government will spend $2 million on a feasibility study for another AFL stadium at Docklands.