Everyone is a lot smarter after facts or when some measurement is available. Look at recruiting for example Rich is better than Yarran.

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Surrey, I've always been of the opinion that a 'winning mentality' plays a very, very important part of it - but you cannot simply say that the game plan and experience are not the problem.

The game plan is fine, but needs tweaking - and Ratts has to have a Plan B to execute if needs be... something that wasn't done today.

Experience, look at our squad today. More kids than men. All capable of course, but with experience comes better decision making - and this also ties in with mentality as this also grows as the player gets more game time...

The mentality is an issue, but it isn't the ONLY issue.

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Yeah but according to all the spin doctors on here, yarran will be a future star whilst rich is just an average onballer

The players wont change...the coach has to change them and that means being strong and tough....getting harder, demanding more.....swapping peripheral players for more peripheral players wont do anything.
The game plan is the same game plan that keeps failing.....kick it to Fev, if Fev doesnt get it then lets hope Eddie can crumb a couple....hardly rocket science to coach against.
The picks are fine....Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Robbo, Bower etc, they can all play ...tanking made sense......leaving Rhys Shaw to run loose unchecked for 3/4 didnt...not using Waite more forward didnt, not using Eddie in the middle didnt.....

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This is more directed at those on this forum as opposed to the club itself, but we have collingwooditis, what is collingwooditis I hear you ask?

It's when you overrate your list to the detriment of reality. In other words we think some of our players are good when the rest of the competition knows that they are just average. Collingwood have done this for years and continue to do so - that is why they barely cut players when they should (Tarrant the exception).

I don't need to name names but in todays team there was at least 5 players that most on here rate as being good or worthy of a spot in our team that are simply just triers or 'b' graders. If you think back to round 1 you will notice that our skills weren't there, that was my concern after that game (amongst the joy of a big win), but early on then we couldn't hit targets.

So what's the solution? We need a gameplan that is executable by the players on our list.

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Patience is a virtue.

Stick to the roundball game with the toilet lid for a trophy.

Port stuffed up.

Hartlett had a better game against Hawthorn in his debut than Rich has played all year.

Not sure a selection change would make much of a difference, from where I see it. There are good arguments for setanta, scotland, maybe even browne to be included. But I just get that strange feeling we are overcorrecting. When the team feels the pressure starting to mount, we unexpectedly swing into a negative game plan (hold position, kick it wide style of play). We understand its importance when the momentum shifts during a game, but we seem to be employing it a little too early. Once we start playing in this mode, sides seem to surge and place greater pressure. Today was deplorable, we did not seem to run and carry, create opportunities by pushing into space or even look remotely interested in hitting up running targets when they presented through the middle, we were far to intent in holding position, chipping it sideways and finally coughing it up due to either a poor disposal or worse a three to one option!!.

I don't believe players of the skill of hadley, murphy, grigg, gibbs, stevens, wiggins (only to mention a few) would instinctively look back or sidewards when they receive the ball. Today they did, and for this reason they looked very slow and completely out of position when they finally received the ball.

As for individual players, I don't think its fair to nominate who should stay or play, but for my mind, we were far too interested in corralling the player with the ball, rather than placing a firm tackle or bump (exclude wiggins Great courage). A few players come to mind, those of you who watched the game know who!!

Again: The quote I have heard twice from oppostion players post game, is a little unsettling. paraphrase "we were keen to prove that a team effort would beat individual champions"

Call it now, Ratts, forget who we have on our list or what potential they have as players, they must be ready to get in and get their hands dirty for each other!!!! We should be regarded as the team that most teams fear, not because of who we have in the side, but how we are prepared to irradicate the bad years by pushing their way back to the front. Our Arrogance is something to be proud of, and when we play with it as a team, success will come quicker than expected!!

It is this very reason, that changing one or two players, wont make that difference your looking for. We must be able to play a brand of game that employs the basic carlton trait winning!!!

Go Blues.

Rome wasn't built in one day BUT we have some serious work to do.

It was obvious during the third quarter that we were not going to win, why doesn't Rat's try a different formula?

May be Waite up forward,
Kruizer up forward,
Stevens in the middle rather than playing back (I'd rather see Stevens in the middle all the time)

We played the game on their terms - good teams dictate the play.

Some of our players have got ahead of themselves and watching the Cats tonight shows that a good team is capable of playing good football over a long period of time - we are not at this point yet.

I hope Setanta comes in soon as well as Browne & Scotland, Robbo needs a full game in the 2nd's.

People callong for Carazzo should take note of his turnovers last week in the VFL.

Onec again I will go watch the Bullants with the hope someone puts their hand up especially Yarran, makes me sick watching Rich and Beams showing so much and please don't tell me we don't need any more midfielders

So a good forty minutes is whats required to be successful. FFS so what if we kicked 3.12There is still another half of footy...we lack commitment....the players at the moment have not acquired the heart to win games where a 4 qtr effort is required against reasonable oppostion.

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Maybe you don't understand that even the best teams like Geelong can't play 4 quarters. They kill teams with a couple of patches of brilliance then hold when it's the oppositions turn.

If Carlton kicked straight, we dictate the play for the rest of the game, Sydney are forced to attack to get back into the game resulting in a contest played on our terms. Two weeks in a row we have lost because of poor finishing.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Rubbish!!!

Were expected to play a 1/4 of footy and if we kick straight we win and if we dont we lose????

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I don't necessarily disagree with you Melvey however look at Geelong's team last night.

Mumford, Blake, Lonergan, Taylor, Rooke and Byrnes are all footsoldiers at best. Wojinski and Stokes are nothing special whilst there are big ???'s about Hawkins.
However saying that there doesn't appear to be many "passengers" in their side.

We should have beaten Sydney yesterday with all their injuries and Hall a late withdrawal.....especially considering Goodes and O'Keefe were quiet.

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Should of but we didn't two games in a row now.

You are right no matter the pecking order amongst the Cats list there are no passengers.

I think Ratts faces some tough decisions come years end but what makes it more difficult is i don't think our depth runs deep at all. We have NO key positional prospects for the future to build around. We've tried to inject some youthfulness into the team which worked for two weeks but not much else to come back in other than the hopes that Yarran will be a Peter Matera like player.

Kreuzer should be at least a very fine player, Bower was good yesterday whilst both Austin and Hampson have shown promise......still have a fair way to go however.
I like Steven Browne and think he will be a good player.
Robinson and Garlett have shown a fair bit but just need a bit of a rest and they should eventually come back as better players.
Grigg has been down since returning to the side but he has shown enough to suggest he will be a good player as well.

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What have Austin and Hampson shown??? do you have any footage of this cause i've seemed to have missed it.

Out of all these players you have mentioned i can easily say Krooze and Grigg will be ten year players for the blues.

I to like Stephen Browne and think he and Armfield have something different to offer our side and would like to see them get a go ahead of Carrazzo.

We really really need to find a KP forward and a mid size (medhurst type) in the next draft.

As for Hampson i'd say we should get some games into him and then trade him off to GC17 for a first rounder.

GC will trade away a first rounder for a player whos apparently shown nothing?

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I think the biggest selection mistake made by this club was missing out on bringing Alan Richardson as a development coach to our club.