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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:57 pm 
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When Carlton are a genuine premiership threat (top 4 at the end of a season) will less than 35,000 turn up to games against Sydnet et al?

How many Collingwood games draw less than 50,000?

A few years back we had 27,000 members. Now it's 40,000 plus. How many will we have when we're winning flags?

I want to see Carlton hit 50,000 - 60,000 members over the next 10 years. And what of other clubs' supporters. Do they just not go to our home games if we play at a small stadium? I actually don't want to go to games where all the crowd are made up of one group of supporters. Might as well sit around and have a circle jerk.

As pointed out by numerous people if PP were to become the 3rd stadium Carlton won't be playing there and we'd lose control of it.

It's like some of you lot just got accepted into Oxford or Cambridge and instead of looking at your bright, bright future you've decided to stay home and argue with your mate over who's got control of the swings down at the local playground.

Amazing. :roll:


There was a time when a big crowd was predicted they would switch the game to a different venue - Why can't they do that now ????

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:28 pm 
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I'm sure this argument played out to as far as it could go about 5 years ago :roll: now we're arguing over history??? :screwy:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:49 pm 
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I'm sure this argument played out to as far as it could go about 5 years ago :roll: now we're arguing over history??? :screwy:


Yeah but now we get to say " I told you so" :razz:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:06 pm 
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Yes, I was thinking along those lines yesterday when I was down at the ground collecting stuff from the CFC shop. And I was one who voted for the move because there was no other option at the time.

If we and the AFL really wanted to play a couple of low-gate games against interstate clubs maybe it could be made to happen. Where there's a will there's away, after all.

But would it be worth the effort? As Synbad said we have a lot more members now and that might mean a members' ballot for tickets. Too many would miss out and that would make for a bad vibe.

I think we have other priorities now. It would be a distraction.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:15 pm 
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This should be re-named the “thumbs up” thread. :thumbsup:

Didn’t the AFL own Docklands at one stage also?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:09 pm 
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If you build it they will come......but how?

Trams and trains are pretty bad there....parking for 30,000?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:11 pm 
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Jeff Kennett the then Premier and John Elliot the then President had plans for an underground car park.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:12 pm 
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Yes they did....but the plans couldn't get passed planning stage IIRC....and the Public Transport hasn't improved.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:15 pm 
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I blame Essendon*.

Why you ask???

WHY NOT!!!!!!!

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Surrey and his Elliot "greasing palms" post sums it all up...

la la land....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:32 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:

There was a time when a big crowd was predicted they would switch the game to a different venue - Why can't they do that now ????


IIRC, not one single match was changed due to the "Best fit" ( :roll: ) policy after 2001

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:33 pm 
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woof wrote:
Jeff Kennett the then Premier and John Elliot the then President had plans for an underground car park.

In conjunction with Melb uni... but the plans didnt get through.....

Sydney Blue understands all about that.... he brings up examples that have nothing to do with Princes Park as examples.

It was tested and it was allowed to go through with NO car park... No lights.. and a significant slashing to the seating.

We couldnt get 35k in that place even if we wanted to.

In case you people missed it... we cant knock down the Gardiner stand as its heritage listed.... its still going to remain up as it decays away into a pile of dust .....

How the hell would you get 35k seating in a place like that?

Where would you find the funds to re develop it anyway??? to "grease palms"
It wouldnt be ours.. and we would have to send our players to timbuck to for training .. and sure we can train on the surrounding ovals.... :thumbsup:


The whole thing is laughable .......and some people take it seriously...

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
This should be re-named the “thumbs up” thread. :thumbsup:

Didn’t the AFL own Docklands at one stage also?


Docklands will revert to full AFL ownership in 2025 (?) -ish.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:51 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Jeff Kennett the then Premier and John Elliot the then President had plans for an underground car park.

In conjunction with Melb uni... but the plans didnt get through.....

Sydney Blue understands all about that.... he brings up examples that have nothing to do with Princes Park as examples.

It was tested and it was allowed to go through with NO car park... No lights.. and a significant slashing to the seating.

We couldnt get 35k in that place even if we wanted to.

In case you people missed it... we cant knock down the Gardiner stand as its heritage listed.... its still going to remain up as it decays away into a pile of dust .....

How the hell would you get 35k seating in a place like that?

Where would you find the funds to re develop it anyway??? to "grease palms"
It wouldnt be ours.. and we would have to send our players to timbuck to for training .. and sure we can train on the surrounding ovals.... :thumbsup:


The whole thing is laughable .......and some people take it seriously...



Must have been soft cock developers with no balls to take them on
they only needed to include some two bit community centre or playground and the locals would have lapped it up - offered them free parking in the carpark on non football days - put in a swimming pool - Hang on there doing that at the moment are they not - Isn't there some sort of redevelopment going on there now that the locals have approved

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All of it on the non-residential area, and no underground car park, and unlikely to see 30,000 patrons in one afternoon.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:12 pm 
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The fact of the matter was even if you had the massive amounts of cash needed you wouldnt get residents approval for that kind redevelopment.

I know people involved in the last redevelopment.. and it ended up an abortion cos of the residents.

Very true. Far too many compromises were made in the design because we didn't have the money or the support. Had the AFL been helpful rather than a hinderance, the Legends' Stand would have multiple tears (spelling?), there would be an underground carpark and the other stands would have been altered to fit.
Basically, we had to compromise seriously with the Southern Stand and the Elliott Stand as well, which would have been quite different had there been financial support. But with the money we could raise we were never going to get the ones that would have been optimum.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:17 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Jeff Kennett the then Premier and John Elliot the then President had plans for an underground car park.

In conjunction with Melb uni... but the plans didnt get through.....

Sydney Blue understands all about that.... he brings up examples that have nothing to do with Princes Park as examples.

It was tested and it was allowed to go through with NO car park... No lights.. and a significant slashing to the seating.

We couldnt get 35k in that place even if we wanted to.

In case you people missed it... we cant knock down the Gardiner stand as its heritage listed.... its still going to remain up as it decays away into a pile of dust .....

How the hell would you get 35k seating in a place like that?

Where would you find the funds to re develop it anyway??? to "grease palms"
It wouldnt be ours.. and we would have to send our players to timbuck to for training .. and sure we can train on the surrounding ovals.... :thumbsup:


The whole thing is laughable .......and some people take it seriously...


But Jake Niall said.

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Jeff Kennett the then Premier and John Elliot the then President had plans for an underground car park.

In conjunction with Melb uni... but the plans didnt get through.....

Sydney Blue understands all about that.... he brings up examples that have nothing to do with Princes Park as examples.

It was tested and it was allowed to go through with NO car park... No lights.. and a significant slashing to the seating.

We couldnt get 35k in that place even if we wanted to.

In case you people missed it... we cant knock down the Gardiner stand as its heritage listed.... its still going to remain up as it decays away into a pile of dust .....

How the hell would you get 35k seating in a place like that?

Where would you find the funds to re develop it anyway??? to "grease palms"
It wouldnt be ours.. and we would have to send our players to timbuck to for training .. and sure we can train on the surrounding ovals.... :thumbsup:


The whole thing is laughable .......and some people take it seriously...


But Jake Niall said.


:lol:

It's really bloody funny isn't it?

I've met Jake Niall and he's a nice enough bloke but it doesn't take much insight to realise that 99% of sports journalists (Jake included) have no better an analytical perspective on the game than half the people on this site or in the footy community generally. And yet one soppy little article clogged with nostalgia and the "it was better in the old days" mob start jumping up and down again.

Funny... :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:56 pm 
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GWS wrote:
It's really bloody funny isn't it?

I've met Jake Niall and he's a nice enough bloke but it doesn't take much insight to realise that 99% of sports journalists (Jake included) have no better an analytical perspective on the game than half the people on this site or in the footy community generally. And yet one soppy little article clogged with nostalgia and the "it was better in the old days" mob start jumping up and down again.

Funny... :lol:


You sound like a wanna be journo and jealous of their influence on the masses. People have been reading the papers for years and watching TV - build a bridge. These sort of articles will create discussion. I guarantee you it will be on Dribble MMM and AW on talkback this weekend. But I will ring up and say that GWS said we shouldn't talk about this and I am sure all discussion will stop pronto. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I will add my two cents :thumbsup: , Geelong did what Carlton tried to do but they did it successfully. The difference was that they had the backing of the Federal Government, State Government, AFL and local council.

I would not be surprised if we (or other teams) played home games at Kardina Park. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cheers,
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The title of this thread should be enough of a giveaway.
John Elliot was, is, and always will be an opinionated, pompous buffoon.
He bankrupted the club, constructed the worst playing list in our history, paid a wooden spoon side $4 Mil over the salary cap, cost us two years of cream draft picks and built a white elephant grandstand at enormous cost that was full once in it's sorry history.
Aby idea he's ever had is poison, pure and simple.


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