Good points raised earlier about the "party tricks" stage of the game against Ess`on Sat` night and against Bris last week. Both times this happened signalled comebacks from the opposition. It was an affront to their sense of pride and they hit back with vigor.
We have a very talented list and are exciting to watch but need to replace lairising with grinding ruthlessness. Having had time to reflect on the game, the loss will be good for us in the long term but still very disappointed.

Played some very arrogant football against the Bombers.

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[quote="grrofunger"]flowering camporeale dirty prick jumping around and celebrating in their box

why cant our players have as much hate for these pricks as i do ?[/quote]

i feel ya..i hate ess worse than the scum magpies and that is saying something..not loyal
I didnt realise camporeale did that...@#$%&! dog he is shit!

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I hear that. Why they seem to want to do anything but smash them into the dirt is one of my great peeves about this team. They seem happy to try and cruise through them, when I think if anyone here were wearing a jumper out there we'd want to smash them with everything we had.

When we do lose to them, I always get a sense that the team just treats it as another loss and a bit of bad luck, when many of us demand that they should feel absolutely sick to their stomach for it. Otherwise they might actually do what's expected of them against a bottom 4 team and wouldn't keep making the same flowering mistakes time and time again. It's like the sight of those jumpers has some hypnotic effect that it turns all our players into pansies.

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Yep. Those outside the 22 need to know this - when we win, the 22 have to be rewarded and go around again. And when we lose, they have to be given a chance to redeem themselves - to show us how they'll respond. Why don't we just tell the boys in the Bullants that they're not going to get in unless there are enough injuries to accommodate them? Who gives a toss whether they knock on the door in the Bullants because the senior side is a boy's club that doesn't let in outsiders. Get into the side in Rd 1 and it's a job for life - a bit like the Test team on occasions.

And a teminological clarification: the MC only selects the side - it doesn't determine match-ups or game plans, though certain omissions or selections will heavily influence them. Perhaps the MC can make decisions with which Ratts disagrees, but that's shrouded in mystery. And the MC has no active role on match day. On the other hand, all decisions about match-ups and game plans in the coaching box and in the lead up to the game are presumably the ultimate responsibility of Ratts alone, though he would rely on his assistants to some degree.

My complaint is with the Match Committee only.

BV, don't agree with everthing you have said but you have answered my points very clearly and persuasively. I guess the bottom line is I expect the players to be as feral about beating the Bombers as all us supporters are. Let's hope we give them a hammering next time.

I think we could easily have won but win or lose it exposed some weaknesses


Barrass I think Johnson has done quite well and Stevo is a class player however Stevo as a club leader and the most experienced player just doesn't try and impose himself on the contest enough when the game is in the balance.

Both of them have been tried as running half backs. They have good disposal but are weak overhead, especially Stevens who is woeful in any aerial contest so while they both have roles I can't see either of them really succeeding at half back because their lack of aerial skill is too exploitable. Stevo as a mid fielder needs to lead more as Judd does.

Scotland has great disposal both sides and is much stronger over the ball and in the air but is apparently in ordinary form. In form he is clearly a better player than Johnson. I'd be looking at Mitch Robinson as a running half back down the track, great pace, aggression and quite good disposal. We really need a flanker who can break the lines from half back with great pace and disposal but whose defensive capabilities can't be easily exploited. This would also give Waite the chance to be used forward and on ball

What about me?

Regards Cazzesman

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381

Next best are the Bulldogs, miles behind on 347.

4th v 11th next week. Should be an impressive win. Another score over 100 and a continuation of being the highest scoring team in the league.

Agree a lot of the angst is because we lost to Essendon* - but also we know the bombers are a poor team and they have beaten us the last 3 times and we havent been able to adapt our game plan to beat them on any of those occasions -players like Lovett Monfries and LLOYD dont play well against other teams but seem to be able to play well against us and we cant seem to quell them - this is a coach matter

However saw LLoyd on that new channel 1 -before saying after quarter time Essendon* wanted it more than Carlton - how can that be for a side that has won 40 % or less games in the last 5 years and has an opportunity to go 3-0 up at the start of a season - either players overconfident or cruising - this is a player matter and they let us down on saturday - reminded me of loss to Richmond first round last year -got about 5 goals up in second quarter of that match and then lost too

Im no hysteric and are continually being positive here but you have to be very disappointed with Saturday night given the stakes given the opposition given our performances over the last 5 years and given we dominated for the first 45 minutes of the match

Yes we are still a developing team and there will be potholes but with the players we had in on saturday compared to Essendon* it shouldnt have been close


Happy to let it go now but gee you would be wanting a full blooded effort against the Swans next Saturday after not beating them for about 5 years as well

WHAT CRAP..... I'll write what ever i like, they are my thoughts and im so sorry that im not so delusional as you that one must sugar coat everything.

Just because im not one of those supporters with a bedroom full of Carlton paraphernalia and only wear carlton undies like you doesn't mean im not passionate about the blues. I say it as i see it bad or good

I write plenty of positive comments but people like you only focus on the negative ones because you GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO SO If you don't like what i have to say IGNORE ME OR DON'T READ IT AND MOVE ON!!!!!!!

thank you and good night!

Ritz-Carlton??

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Couldn't agree more Frank.

Some of my posts may have given the impression that I didn't really care we were beaten but I can assure you the Cazzes trudged home in seething silence after the effort. Midway through the 2nd I thought there was some cracks appearing but I still thought after 1/2 time we would come out firing again. As the game wore on I could feel we were headed for a shabby loss.

I am just as gutted as any other supporter but I know Rome wasn't built in a day and the human element always enters the fray to ruin the best laid plans. I don't blame Ratts or the MC because I think they actually got it right and stuck with those that had given so much in the first 2 games.

I blame the players for falling for the hype created by the bookies and the media in general.

I went to the Sponsors night on Monday and obviously the lads listened with more interest to comedian Dave Hughes than they did to CFC legend Mark Maclure. MM spoke about what it means to be in a winning team and what sacrifices have to be made for each other for the greater good. Hughes spoke as if we only had to turn up on the last day in September to collect the Cup.

One's a comedian and the others a CFC Icon who knows the score.

Hopefully Ratts replays MM's speech to the lads this week so that it has a chance to sink in.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Are you talking about the same game everyone else is talking about? Essendon* got back into the game because they started winning the ball from the middle. Free kicks or whatever, they moved that ball fast, very fast from the center and our backs had no time to get back to their opponents (a few times) resulting in goals. Stats might say we killed them (I don't know) but in terms of effective clearances and winning the important clearances when the game had to be won I would say Essendon* murdered us. Stats mean crap most times, the most important thing in football is winning a contested possession when it counts and using it effectively.

We looked tired towards the end. Judd battled hard but in the last 5 minutes he looked spent. We relied on him as nobody else looked like taking over the game.

These are the games we should be winning if we are a finals chance. It just means now we have to knock off a strong side like Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, St.Kilda (I think those teams will in the top 5) etc.

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One more pro - it's great to really hurt after a loss, rather than look forward to what draft pick we're lining up for. I haven't felt as guttered after such a loss since the late 90's early 2000's.

We're starting to expect this team to win eavery week now!!!!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

All i wanna say is, Essendon* handled the pressure situation better than we did. Scotland shouldnt have been dropped and Garlett is nowhere near ready for AFL footy yet.

Aaron Joseph, gets raved about by a lot of people on here and someone mentioned his game on the weekend was his best. Well if it was his best then i would hate to see his worst. He got carved up by Monfries when he was on him and carved up by Davey when he was on him.

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Especially when they dont back up our uninformed rantings.
Perhaps it's a conspiracy.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Pros - didn't play our best and still only lost by four points.
Next week provides an opportunity to stand up and do the hard things by showing heart for four quarters backed up by showing our improved skills.
Cons = Inability to break through the bomber's zone from deep in our backline. ie. lack of run to present for the ball.
- adversely bomber's pace hurt us.
- Gartlett couldn't provide a fifty fifty contest when the ball was up for grabs. Young player will learn, best take a break for more experienced player like Fisher or Carrazzo.
- The free kick to Lloyd against Thronton for a legitimate contest, costing us two goals in the end.
_ Fev is carrying an injury which I think hurt his accuracy - will continue to play until the heel gets better.

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Pros:

Playing sh#te for 75% of game, Fev kicking 4.7 and still only losing by 4 points. That would have translated to a 7 goal loss a while back.

The Hawks of 07 were also inconsistent, and look what they did last year. Hopefully we're on the same path.

Judd

Cons:

Not playing Setanta. Dumb/cocky/arrogant decision. Please MC, don't let us play Big Barry without a full back.

Being too afraid to take the game on against those hacks. How many times did we go backwards or sideways ?? Pathetic against a side like the young Bummers.

And who the flower was on Lovett ???? Never anyone near him, ever. Amazing.

Great post, pretty much sums up my feelings. Terribly disappointed with the result, haven't been this gutted after a loss for a long, long time. Will reserve ultimate judgement until after this week.

I too caught Lloyd on OWAAT. Keeping my feelings about him out of it (can't stand the guy lol), I thought it was VERY damning. They were outworking us and knew it, they were overrunning us and knew it. When the 'double goal' was discussed, he made mention that they knew Thornton would react and was over the edge. They 'had him'.

Not that they need any extra motivation, however this interview/discussion would be essential viewing this week if I was involved with the CFC. Not just for the players, but the coaching panel/MC too. My blood was absolutely boiling...

Knowing that our captain doesn't drive down Media Street, I find that excuse (for lack of a better word) to be a major cop out. If some of the boys got ahead of themselves, I trust that our captain will show his leadership and 'remind' everyone of the required standards at our club now. Would be very disappointed if there wasn't plenty of quiet chats this week at Visy Park.

We've got a tough 3 weeks coming up. If we don't bring our A grade work rate and intensity to each game, we'll be in trouble. Simple as that.

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