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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:13 pm 
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Harry Vallence
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Peter Dean is champ and would be fantastic with our young backline.

It is not a secret that our defence is untried and not proven. There has been a strong belief that if our mids were more accountable then it will take pressure off our backline. Every critic in the media say that our backline is our weakness. We have a great midfield, one of the best forwards in the league and our backline are basically players (besides Bower) from the Rookie List.

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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:28 pm 
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This is not a told you so but...... Our defensive setup was disgraceful.

I know part of the blame comes from the lack of defensive pressure coming from our mids and forwards but, there were holes everywhere in the back half.

Thornton was giving Llyod way to much space, at times not even picking him up. On several times one of defenders was in position to have got a fist in when Llyody marked the ball but failed to.

Our back six was nothing but disgraceful. They looked like a bunch of headless chooks with no structure

Who works with our defenders on there technique? is Peter Dean down at the club?


Melvey, you are a person who knows your stuff. Can I get a bit more insight into your genius:

1. How many times were defenders in a position to spoil Lloyd? Who was it?
2. Who were the back six? (e.g can you please tell me back pockets, HBF's, CHB and FB?)
3. What is a good structure for a back six if you were coaching?
4. Can you tell me the types of tecniques are taught to make defenders elite?

Thanks, your insights really help me dissect our games.

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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:20 pm 
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Robert Walls

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Blue Vain wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Who works with our defenders on there technique? is Peter Dean down at the club?


Why? Is he a good coach?


Not sure but thought i read that he was working with the bullants


Yes, but is he a good coach?
It's pointless throwing up names for the sake of it.


I didn't bring up his name in terms of he is someone we should get down to the club, i thought he was involved with the bullants and was asking if he works with the carlton listed players. He is an assistant under Eade


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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:42 pm 
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Robert Walls

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barass wrote:
Melvey wrote:
This is not a told you so but...... Our defensive setup was disgraceful.

I know part of the blame comes from the lack of defensive pressure coming from our mids and forwards but, there were holes everywhere in the back half.

Thornton was giving Llyod way to much space, at times not even picking him up. On several times one of defenders was in position to have got a fist in when Llyody marked the ball but failed to.

Our back six was nothing but disgraceful. They looked like a bunch of headless chooks with no structure

Who works with our defenders on there technique? is Peter Dean down at the club?


Melvey, you are a person who knows your stuff. Can I get a bit more insight into your genius:

1. How many times were defenders in a position to spoil Lloyd? Who was it?
Waite was who could have got a fist on the ball when Llyod came across the pact and took a strong grab. Bower another who was pushing Lucas back when he wasn't in the contest when we could have made an attempt to spoil

2. Who were the back six? (e.g can you please tell me back pockets, HBF's, CHB and FB?)
Ok i'll give you four. Thornton, Waite, Bower, Johnson. Thornton gave Llyod 10 meters and on two occasions could clearly read the play and did not get on Llyod as he was running back.

3. What is a good structure for a back six if you were coaching?
I honestly believe we need a monster down back. I think all 3 in Jammo, T-bird and Bower give away height at times and weight. Is Setanta the answer? that is questionable but his height and closing speed is something that all mentioned don't have.

Waitey plays like a quarterback and by not playing the Irish lad we lost drive of half back.

Brett Thornton is a halfback flanker not a full back. Bower is Struggling.

We also need to generate run of half back. Like you see with the Hawks and how they have Guerra, Hodge and Gilham ripping games open by hitting hard running targets rebounding from the defense.

The way i'd setup is having Jammo at Full back and backing in Setanta as CHB as our two talls around them have Johnson and Thornton as rebounding defenders (our best kicks off half back)


4. Can you tell me the types of tecniques are taught to make defenders elite?
When to make body contact/positioning, use of the body, feeling out your opponent, scragging, when to jump/attempting to spoil. Why have Lewis Roberts Thompson, Dale Morris and Zac Dawson all credit SOS for his work and spending time with them

Thanks, your insights really help me dissect our games.


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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:27 am 
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He's back and he's wrapped and he's pregnant to himself again.


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 Post subject: Re: Defense coach??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:09 am 
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DIAMOTISM wrote:
Peter Dean is champ and would be fantastic with our young backline.

It is not a secret that our defence is untried and not proven. There has been a strong belief that if our mids were more accountable then it will take pressure off our backline. Every critic in the media say that our backline is our weakness. We have a great midfield, one of the best forwards in the league and our backline are basically players (besides Bower) from the Rookie List.

Is Dale Morris a bad player?

Morris is a former rookie elevation with a good record on Fevola.

Moris has an AA selection in his back pocket after being drafted from the VFL like Jamison.

Delist Jamison.


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 Post subject: Re: Defence coach??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:07 am 
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Mike Fitzpatrick

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I like to keep things very simple.

In the first 3 rounds we have played 12 quarters of football:

For 6 quarters Jamo played and Waite was influential; Carlton 34 goals v Opposition 13 goals.
For 6 quarters Jamo is out and Waite is less influential; Carlton 23 goals v Opposition 28 goals.

The MC need to get their heads around this.


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 Post subject: Re: Defence coach??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:00 pm 
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Adrian Gallagher

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We shouldn't forget that with our newly adopted zone approach, the defenders no longer just line up against their respective forwards when the ball is kicked in from the oppositions full back line. Players, such as thornton were pressing up forming the tail end of the zone. As mentioned previously this is the one major drawback of the zone. If the pressure through the zone is not applied the ball will spill out through the midfield and allow a long kick to penetrate the oppositions half forward line. Being at the game, against Essendon*, I saw thornton in particular having to push back numerous of times when he deducted that the zone was non effective!!

The PRO for the zone, is that the defensive pressure is applied by the whole team! Once the pressure foils a turnover, weight of numbers will push the ball forward, spotting players maintaining their zone positions.

Its CON is that if the whole team does not apply the same intensity it exposes your defensive 50.

Clear example is the hawthorn and sydney game 2007. Hawthorn started with a bang, but allowed sydney to push through the zone, hawthorns intensity dropped off and sydney recorded a win against the favoured hawthorn!

The comparisons can be clearly made with last saturdays game against Essendon*.

Keep the faith, we will get there.

Go Blues!!


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 Post subject: Re: Defence coach??
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:23 am 
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I think the club needs to look at getting someone like a Jimmy Clement down to the club on a part time basis and work with our boys.

I know your backline is only as good as your midfield but far to many holes yesterday.


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