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Nick Stevens inability to be accountable sets a poor example.
Who cares if he gets 30 easy possies of half back, his loose checking puts undue pressure on the whole defence. I bet Scotto was pissed off!

Take Judd out of the team and we would have lost by 6 goals

My point is we were beaten by a team that played like as a team. Juddy was the difference and our second tier players looked 4th rate compared to the Bombers

Tonight there pace and there second tier players got them over the line.

We need to create run off half back and until we do we will not make top four. We have no one who car runt the lines of half back

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Enough already with this incessant bagging of Nick Stevens!
You want to know why Camporeale is high fiving in the Essendon* coaches box right now? It's b/c Carlton supporters would not stop giving him crap throughout his career b/c he was perceived to be soft.
Not every player plays the hard man's role. Stevens is in the team b/c of his ability to run, kick & think our team forward.
Yes, he must be accountable but he is far from the worst on this count.
He laid 5 tackles last night compared with Judd's 4. And, as good as Judd is, his tackling is not always that strong - especially when he has to go sideways (possibly b/c of his shoulders...).
Gibbs laid 2 tackles. He hesitated at least twice b/w half back & the wing when there were clear options forward. Murphy laid 5 tackles but was also caught not chasing his opponent a couple of times. Waite got the ball 15 times, 2 contested, laid ZERO tackles FROM CHB!!! and took 6 marks - all uncontested.
Stevens had 23 possessions, 91% efficiency, set up at least 2 goals - probably more - and had more kicks than anyone on the ground except Judd. And with 91% efficiency.

We did not lose b/c of Nick Stevens.
We lost b/c our intensity dropped after we thought we had their measure at quarter time.
We were good enough in the first quarter to smash them. Without Setanta. Without Scotland. With exactly the team as they were on the ground. Not to bring up old ghosts but we damn well got ahead of ourselves. And our kicking was shiite - although some of this too was due to getting ahead of ourselves & trying for the silly shot rather than straightening up & nailing it. And we lost by 4 points.
At the final centre ball up, with 30secs to go & a few points behind, who did we have in the middle? Hadley (ok) & Sauce. No Judd, no Muprhy, no Gibbs, no stevens. In fact, how often did Stevens or Gibbs start in the middle at all?
Let's try supporting ALL those who are putting in rather than perpetuating bullshit stereotypes.

If we are going to improve, there are many things we can learn from this game. I can think of at least a dozen before I'd start worrying about Stevens. Not saying he's perfect but a bit of perspective, please.

I'm still yet to see the game (nor do I have any intention of ever doing so), but I can't understand why anyone could see any possible PRO's from a loss to those pansies from Windy Hill

Enough already with this incessant bagging of Nick Stevens!
You want to know why Camporeale is high fiving in the Essendon* coaches box right now? It's b/c Carlton supporters would not stop giving him crap throughout his career b/c he was perceived to be soft.
Not every player plays the hard man's role. Stevens is in the team b/c of his ability to run, kick & think our team forward.
Yes, he must be accountable but he is far from the worst on this count.
He laid 5 tackles last night compared with Judd's 4. And, as good as Judd is, his tackling is not always that strong - especially when he has to go sideways (possibly b/c of his shoulders...).
Gibbs laid 2 tackles. He hesitated at least twice b/w half back & the wing when there were clear options forward. Murphy laid 5 tackles but was also caught not chasing his opponent a couple of times. Waite got the ball 15 times, 2 contested, laid ZERO tackles FROM CHB!!! and took 6 marks - all uncontested.
Stevens had 23 possessions, 91% efficiency, set up at least 2 goals - probably more - and had more kicks than anyone on the ground except Judd. And with 91% efficiency.

We did not lose b/c of Nick Stevens.
We lost b/c our intensity dropped after we thought we had their measure at quarter time.
We were good enough in the first quarter to smash them. Without Setanta. Without Scotland. With exactly the team as they were on the ground. Not to bring up old ghosts but we damn well got ahead of ourselves. And our kicking was shiite - although some of this too was due to getting ahead of ourselves & trying for the silly shot rather than straightening up & nailing it. And we lost by 4 points.
At the final centre ball up, with 30secs to go & a few points behind, who did we have in the middle? Hadley (ok) & Sauce. No Judd, no Muprhy, no Gibbs, no stevens. In fact, how often did Stevens or Gibbs start in the middle at all?
Let's try supporting ALL those who are putting in rather than perpetuating bullshit stereotypes.

If we are going to improve, there are many things we can learn from this game. I can think of at least a dozen before I'd start worrying about Stevens. Not saying he's perfect but a bit of perspective, please.