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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:01 am 
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Cons:

People acting like we lost by ten goals.

I'd rather lose by 10 goals to anyone else instead of losing by any margin to these flowerheads.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:04 am 
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pros:
- Juddy's game (pity he didn't have mates)
- Jacobs & Kreuzer beat Hille comprehensively.
- played crap, but we hung in there

cons:
- losing to a third rate side like the scum :mad:
- inaccurate kicking for goal :banghead:
- lack of accountability and gut running

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:20 am 
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Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders. Gibbs isn't blessed with pace but has all the time in the world but last night couldn't get teh ball forward due to there pressure.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.


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Melvey wrote:
Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.

How old are you Melvey?

And I thought Easter was all about a resurrection and wasn't the end of the world. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:24 am 
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BlueIce wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.


How old are you Melvey?

And I thought Easter was all about a resurrection and wasn't the end of the world. :roll:


What ever man.

Attack the ball not he man. Our team was shit so deal with it


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:27 am 
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Melvey wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.


How old are you Melvey?

And I thought Easter was all about a resurrection and wasn't the end of the world. :roll:


What ever man.

Attack the ball not he man. Our team was shit so deal with it



I am with ya melvey


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:29 am 
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Pro . Judd . Just fantastic .

Cons . Beaten by a bottom 4 side with a very long injury list .
Poor decisions at the selection table . MC got lots of praise for their selections when we were winning , now they should cop it when we lose .
Dropping Scotland was idiotic . So was not replacing Jammo with Setanta .
We were outcoached .
Our fringe players are not up to AFL standard .

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Hey Blueice!...............leave melvey alone! He's been waiting 3 weeks for his moment in the sun so let him enjoy it.

You go right ahead melvey. Have your 5 minutes of...'I told you so'.
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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Melvey wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.


How old are you Melvey?

And I thought Easter was all about a resurrection and wasn't the end of the world. :roll:


What ever man.

Attack the ball not he man. Our team was shit so deal with it

Maybe you should be consistent and not change your tune in several threads to get attention. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:45 am 
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Pros

Although not a stellar performance, full credit to Gibbo for showing leadership during the TBird/Waite show.

Kreuzers efforts after being knocked into tomorrow was magnificent.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:53 am 
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Tackle count has gone something like 80, 50, 40.

Judd and Wiggins were about the only 2 who could hold their heads up high, although Wiggins' great work as a leading HF is dinted somewhat by his inability to kick the simplest of set shots. He needs to see a shrink.

Simpson's Herald Sun scores this year are damning. Where was his run? And why dish it off to him - he is a shocking kick these days and the last guy I'd give it to to have a shot on the run from 50m. What were you thinking Cloke? And how Betts is considered among our best when he had 9 touches and half the magic as other weeks is beyond me. Why wasn't he thrown on-ball for a bit? We needed the terrier in the middle?

The lads believed their own hype. Even though we were 20 odd pts up early, it never felt secure. I feared this could happen.

In hindsight, decision to not bring in a defender was costly. I don't think Setanta would have done a job on a Lloyd, but he would have allowed Waite play his normal role. We missed Waite's rebound and his ability to be the extra man up in defense.

MC also made a blunder (again in hindsight) by playing the rookies for one too many weeks. Robbo and Garlett gave us nothing last night. Joseph battled hard but was toweled in the 2d half nearer to their goal. We all knew the day would come where the rookies would give us zilch, and we'd lose that day. Well that day was last night. A Scotland could have been handy at the death when you needed the hard bodies and expeience. Bower froze for the second week running. Rabbit caught in headlights when it mattered most. Is he a KPP? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't look strong enough, let alone confident enough. So what is he? A HBF?

We might be coming but we have a long way to go. Saints are a million miles ahead of us. Probably a few years ahead of us, in terms of maturity and hardness.

Disgraceful effort by the Blues, and Ratten has a big task trying to find out which of these lads are fair dinkum about putting in week in week out.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Cons: We lost.... thats all i care about

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:06 am 
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cons:

too much expectation by individuals that others would do the work to get us over the line.
inability to stay in front despite playing crap - all good sides can do this
backline horribly exposed when thornton is our key defender/loose man in defence
thornton generally (am not blaming him for the free to lloyd, but didn't rate his game at all, otherwise - back to the thornton of a few years ago)
inability to lay a tackle inside our fwd half
young rookies (other than jacobs) running out of legs (garlett knocked off the ball too many times, robinson looked tired and slow tonight)
Essendon* scoring on almost every entry into 50 (or at least that is what it felt like) after qtr time.

frankly there are no major pros out of last night's game.

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Cons: the last 3 qtrs
(Mongalloyd) Hate is a very strong word and I don't like to use it often But I FLOWERING HATE THAT A- HOLE SO MUCH :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :banghead: I COULD QUITE EASILY :fight: in his smug ferret face.....

After a long deep breath I feel so much better..

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:25 am 
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BlueIce wrote:
Melvey wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Last night we looked like the 2008 version of Carlton which is a major concern. We looked static, we didn't run hard enough, chipped the ball around and have no run off half back.

The game against Richmond we were made to look like a star side. Other than one quarter of brilliance last week we slowly got to back to that 2008 laconic form and last night it was back with a vengeance.

We have a few players who will be exposed for lack of pace, Houla, Stevo and Hadley. Not that pace is the be all and end all, its about moving the ball quickly but these guys are not hard running midfielders.

I know we have Armfield, Yarran and Browne in the two's how will add some pace to the squad but i think ratts will use them towards the middle of the year when the likes of Robb and Garlett will tire due to being young.


How old are you Melvey?

And I thought Easter was all about a resurrection and wasn't the end of the world. :roll:


What ever man.

Attack the ball not he man. Our team was shit so deal with it

Maybe you should be consistent and not change your tune in several threads to get attention. :thumbsup:


ok here it comes........... I TOLD YOU SO

There, i said it and boy did it feel good.

I think you just have to deal with the fact that you and many others have egg on your face...... and not of the chocolate kind while Melvey goes on about his merry way eating as many prawns as he can today. THE PRAWNS KNOW THAT IM COMING!


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:33 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Hey Blueice!...............leave melvey alone! He's been waiting 3 weeks for his moment in the sun so let him enjoy it.


Regards Cazzesman


can i have 15 pleeeeaaaaaasssssseeee!

ok, Sing along with me Cazzesman..............

THEY KNOW WE'RE COMING, THE BLUES ARE COMING, HERE WE COME, SLOW BALL MOVEMENT OFF HALF BACK, WE'LL GET THERE, FEW MORE KICKS SIDEWAYS BUT HERE WE COME, WHERES BRAD FISHER, UH OH THE BOMBERS ARE WAITING,


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:34 am 
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Enough already with this incessant bagging of Nick Stevens!
You want to know why Camporeale is high fiving in the Essendon* coaches box right now? It's b/c Carlton supporters would not stop giving him crap throughout his career b/c he was perceived to be soft.
Not every player plays the hard man's role. Stevens is in the team b/c of his ability to run, kick & think our team forward.
Yes, he must be accountable but he is far from the worst on this count.
He laid 5 tackles last night compared with Judd's 4. And, as good as Judd is, his tackling is not always that strong - especially when he has to go sideways (possibly b/c of his shoulders...).
Gibbs laid 2 tackles. He hesitated at least twice b/w half back & the wing when there were clear options forward. Murphy laid 5 tackles but was also caught not chasing his opponent a couple of times. Waite got the ball 15 times, 2 contested, laid ZERO tackles FROM CHB!!! and took 6 marks - all uncontested.
Stevens had 23 possessions, 91% efficiency, set up at least 2 goals - probably more - and had more kicks than anyone on the ground except Judd. And with 91% efficiency.

We did not lose b/c of Nick Stevens.
We lost b/c our intensity dropped after we thought we had their measure at quarter time.
We were good enough in the first quarter to smash them. Without Setanta. Without Scotland. With exactly the team as they were on the ground. Not to bring up old ghosts but we damn well got ahead of ourselves. And our kicking was shiite - although some of this too was due to getting ahead of ourselves & trying for the silly shot rather than straightening up & nailing it. And we lost by 4 points.
At the final centre ball up, with 30secs to go & a few points behind, who did we have in the middle? Hadley (ok) & Sauce. No Judd, no Muprhy, no Gibbs, no stevens. In fact, how often did Stevens or Gibbs start in the middle at all?
Let's try supporting ALL those who are putting in rather than perpetuating bullshit stereotypes.

If we are going to improve, there are many things we can learn from this game. I can think of at least a dozen before I'd start worrying about Stevens. Not saying he's perfect but a bit of perspective, please.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:51 am 
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Tackle count has gone something like 80, 50, 40.

Judd and Wiggins were about the only 2 who could hold their heads up high, although Wiggins' great work as a leading HF is dinted somewhat by his inability to kick the simplest of set shots. He needs to see a shrink.

Simpson's Herald Sun scores this year are damning. Where was his run? And why dish it off to him - he is a shocking kick these days and the last guy I'd give it to to have a shot on the run from 50m. What were you thinking Cloke? And how Betts is considered among our best when he had 9 touches and half the magic as other weeks is beyond me. Why wasn't he thrown on-ball for a bit? We needed the terrier in the middle?

The lads believed their own hype. Even though we were 20 odd pts up early, it never felt secure. I feared this could happen.

In hindsight, decision to not bring in a defender was costly. I don't think Setanta would have done a job on a Lloyd, but he would have allowed Waite play his normal role. We missed Waite's rebound and his ability to be the extra man up in defense.

MC also made a blunder (again in hindsight) by playing the rookies for one too many weeks. Robbo and Garlett gave us nothing last night. Joseph battled hard but was toweled in the 2d half nearer to their goal. We all knew the day would come where the rookies would give us zilch, and we'd lose that day. Well that day was last night. A Scotland could have been handy at the death when you needed the hard bodies and expeience. Bower froze for the second week running. Rabbit caught in headlights when it mattered most. Is he a KPP? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't look strong enough, let alone confident enough. So what is he? A HBF?

We might be coming but we have a long way to go. Saints are a million miles ahead of us. Probably a few years ahead of us, in terms of maturity and hardness.

Disgraceful effort by the Blues, and Ratten has a big task trying to find out which of these lads are fair dinkum about putting in week in week out.



Rookies never give you zilch... rookies give you their all.
For the problem you have to look elsewhere.....

Especially the lines between the centre and half back.

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campo was high fiving in the bombers box because he is a selfish mercenary prick

its always about campo with campo

poor little campo

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