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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:53 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pros...
Judd :clap: :clap:
Sammy J :thumbsup:
Kreuz
Wiggo
Eddie

Cons...
The free to Lloyd was a sad piece of umpiring :screwy:
No work-rate equals no win
No run equals no win
Party tricks that come unstuck from those that should know better.
Leaving it all to Juddy equals no win.
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.

Regards Cazzesman



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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:54 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.


Caz, why would this be any use as ammo if our pathetic performances against the Dons last year, and our abysmal last 7 years weren't enough tonight. Why would a club with our recent record need any ammo. How could any of them have got ahead of themselves. It is seven years since we won 3 in a row or were anything other than an ordinary side. If that is not enough ammo, then it suggests there is still a lack of leadership (except Judd) and character in the side. I am sick of accepting the sort of tripe we saw tonight. Particularly as it was identical to the losses to the Dons last year.


Simply because after the 1st 2 rounds the team set the bar up at a reasonable height through shear hard work and intensity. Tonight that bar slipped well down. As Ratts said at his press conference (see AFL website) perhaps the large amount of good press got into the heads of the players. We haven't had that sort of press in 10 years.

In previous years we neither had the cattle nor the game plan to lift the bar. We no longer have to except the 'tripe' because there are players in the wings to come in. Previously there wasn't.

Tonight we were lazy and expected everyone else to do the work. The 'ammo' is the simple before and after video i.e. last weeks workrate vs this week workrate.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:55 pm 
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i thought nick camporeale was a con too - horrible defensively and when he doesnt have the ball is a liability- crap intensity - crap 2nd efforts -

oh oh it was only his first week back

not good enough

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:57 pm 
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Pro: Wiggins, Houla on the half forward line.Eddie

Cons.Fevs kicking.Simmo.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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grrofunger wrote:
i thought nick camporeale was a con too - horrible defensively and when he doesnt have the ball is a liability- crap intensity - crap 2nd efforts -

oh oh it was only his first week back

not good enough


... :smile: could not agree more. Should be played either forward of centre or not at all.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:00 am 
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CONS : Very surprised no one has mentioned it... We Ran out of Legs by Q4. We were tired and Stopped Running.. its very unlike Carlton to stop running as we have built a reputation for Strong finishing, regardless of the Score


Johnson was terrible today...i don't think he should be in our best 22.. he was badly exposed tonight....

Russell no where to be seen after Q1.


Grigg- didnt do much


Gibbs : playing HB most of the night was a Stupid Move....it cost us in the middle.....Scotland should never have been dropped...


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:00 am 
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Pros: we play the scum again
No obvious injuries
Judd (does he handball to much?)
Scum will be bottom six

Cons: missing basic shots at goal
our hard men went missing (Had's, Robbo)
we dont play well as hot favorites
my money at the TAB

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:01 am 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Pros...
Judd :clap: :clap:
Sammy J :thumbsup:
Kreuz
Wiggo
Eddie

Cons...
The free to Lloyd was a sad piece of umpiring :screwy:
No work-rate equals no win
No run equals no win
Party tricks that come unstuck from those that should know better.
Leaving it all to Juddy equals no win.
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.

Regards Cazzesman



Any chance we can get Usain Bolt next draft?........


Essendon* looked fast because we were flat footed and playing dumb footy. If you can't get goal-side of your direct opponent you deserve to get easy goals kicked on you.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:02 am 
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PROS
Our young rucks played with a lot of heart, Jacobs kept competing and Kruezer copped a few bad knocks and kept trying.
Judd is unstoppable.
Wiggins never gave up.
We have a chance to redeem ourselves this year.
Hype is now over. The team has to work hard now to prove themselves a worthy top eight team.
I didn’t have to wait 1 hour for the train, like last week.

CONS
Letting an inferior team get the better of us, we were on top and let them back into the match with a drop in intensity. Losing these kind of games massively hurt our finals aspirations.
Kicking for goal cost us big time, Fev would be hurting right now, but he was not alone tonight in poor conversion.
Lack of pressure over the ground, we stopped the hard tackling that served us so well in the first two rounds.
We were reminded of the inconsistency of a youthful side.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:03 am 
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I've been in denial all this time but can safely admit this...... Our back line is shit. To have two 30 year olds run us around is gut wrenching

I think Ratts was out coached tonight. How cocky were we not to replace Jammo with Setanta. Not making this move cost Waitey playing his sweeping role

Im not surprised with tonight's result. The writing was on the wall


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:09 am 
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Melvey wrote:
I think Ratts was out coached tonight.


Knights rolled the dice by leaving a dud on Fevola all night. Swap Fev's 4.7 to 7.4 and Knights would have been rightly branded a fool.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:13 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Pros...
Judd :clap: :clap:
Sammy J :thumbsup:
Kreuz
Wiggo
Eddie

Cons...
The free to Lloyd was a sad piece of umpiring :screwy:
No work-rate equals no win
No run equals no win
Party tricks that come unstuck from those that should know better.
Leaving it all to Juddy equals no win.
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.

Regards Cazzesman



Any chance we can get Usain Bolt next draft?........


Essendon* looked fast because we were flat footed and playing dumb footy. If you can't get goal-side of your direct opponent you deserve to get easy goals kicked on you.


Their game plan is simple, load up with pace, play on at all costs, kick it down the corridor and wear us down...some of their players like Lovett are physically quicker which aids that plan. We tried to take second options instead of taking the first and got wrapped up by players like Davey running us down ...dumb footy as you suggested.
Ratten hasnt got the game plan right vs the Bombers as yet......we have more talent just need to use it better.
Essendon* are carp IMHO and we should be belting them...not be shown up by no name kids and a no name coach.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:18 am 
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Pro: Judd is incredible

Con: The players think Judd can do it by himself

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:21 am 
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Take Judd out of the team and we would have lost by 6 goals

My point is we were beaten by a team that played like as a team. Juddy was the difference and our second tier players looked 4th rate compared to the Bombers

Tonight there pace and there second tier players got them over the line.

We need to create run off half back and until we do we will not make top four. We have no one who car runt the lines of half back

Tonight we looked like the 2008 version of the Carlton. Static, not running hard enough, not linking up and got ahead of our selves

What also stood out was our second tier players looked average where as the Bombers played like a team even with a 'fab 22'


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:41 am 
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And those who say we made the right decision picking Yarran ahead of Rich.......... Rich is exactly what the doctor's prescribed. A hard in and under nutter with balls


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Melvey wrote:
And those who say we made the right decision picking Yarran ahead of Rich.......... Rich is exactly what the doctor's prescribed. A hard in and under nutter with balls


How about waiting for the kid to play a game before writing him off?

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Went out and didn't have to face the deja vu all over again!
I'm going to be at the next game against this mob and there will be revenge!
Con
Are we a one man team?
Poor conversion
Not sure this is a con but Stevo better for the run? or just unaccountable? How many tackles?
A relatively young side so some good lessons tonight.
20:20 vision - shoulda picked Santy and freed up Waite

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Con:

Lloyd opened his account against us.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Wojee wrote:
Melvey wrote:
And those who say we made the right decision picking Yarran ahead of Rich.......... Rich is exactly what the doctor's prescribed. A hard in and under nutter with balls


How about waiting for the kid to play a game before writing him off?


I haven't written him off. Im saying that we need a hard nut in the middle. A player with mongrel who has presence and not leaving it all to Judd


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