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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:18 pm 
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Pros...
Judd :clap: :clap:
Sammy J :thumbsup:
Kreuz
Wiggo
Eddie

Cons...
The free to Lloyd was a sad piece of umpiring :screwy:
No work-rate equals no win
No run equals no win
Party tricks that come unstuck from those that should know better.
Leaving it all to Juddy equals no win.
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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I don't understand why some people have listed Fev as a pro.

Sure he got lots of it, but he was playing on a rookie; so he should have.

Fev's in the team to kick goals.

He could have had at least another three goals had he executed decently.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:21 pm 
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CON: Not selecting Santy. He's done the job on Lloyd before, he can cope by himself in the F50 on him, he could free up Waite, and he's a lot more direct with his play than Bower. But we apparently didn't need to bother with him because our midfield was going to win us the game. The old "I can beat you with an arm tied behind my back" thing. Note to MC: that's only a saying - you don't actually have to tie your hand behind your back. Still, we should have a warm feeling about playing Lloyd back into form. That should make a few people around here happy.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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meh

waste

all the effort of the past 2 weeks - gone

shit house effort

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Cazzesman wrote:
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

Neither do the umpires.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:23 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

Neither do the umpires.

Neither do they know when to award a 50m penalty


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:25 pm 
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jimmy3741 wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I have no idea what the definition of 'Prior Opportunity' is in AFL footy. :roll:

Neither do the umpires.

Neither do they know when to award a 50m penalty

Neither do they know when a guy makes a legitimate spoil running back with the flight of the ball

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:26 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.


Caz, why would this be any use as ammo if our pathetic performances against the Dons last year, and our abysmal last 7 years weren't enough tonight. Why would a club with our recent record need any ammo. How could any of them have got ahead of themselves. It is seven years since we won 3 in a row or were anything other than an ordinary side. If that is not enough ammo, then it suggests there is still a lack of leadership (except Judd) and character in the side. I am sick of accepting the sort of tripe we saw tonight. Particularly as it was identical to the losses to the Dons last year.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Pros:

Judd
The girl in front of me was very tidy

Cons:

We lost
I'm married and she had a boyfriend

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:26 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
People who have been supporting through the dark years deserve BETTER


Exactly how i feel. Make no mistake, tonight is all our doing (not Essendon*'s or the umpires). How did we let that happen? Should've been a romp


Strongly disagree - we were very ordinary, but Essendon* played well and exploited our weaknesses and errors without a great bunch of players - played as a team, which we didn't. No point being sore losers. One of the few positives should be that the players and supporters be a bit more humble, and appreciate that this is a tough comp, and we aren't good enough to expect to just turn up and win.

If we'd won it would have been an injustice given the wasted opportunities, ill-discipline, lack of hard work and lack of poise by most of the team, and given the cohesive team effort of the opposition.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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gerry atric wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
After today's poor effort we will beat the Swans next week. Ratts now has some ammo to throw at those that won't run, tackle and work for each other.


Caz, why would this be any use as ammo if our pathetic performances against the Dons last year, and our abysmal last 7 years weren't enough tonight. Why would a club with our recent record need any ammo. How could any of them have got ahead of themselves. It is seven years since we won 3 in a row or were anything other than an ordinary side. If that is not enough ammo, then it suggests there is still a lack of leadership (except Judd) and character in the side. I am sick of accepting the sort of tripe we saw tonight. Particularly as it was identical to the losses to the Dons last year.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:28 pm 
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Pros
Judd
Murphy kicking goals
Ratts can use this to motivate us out of believing the press (think Hirdy stitched us up with his article this morning...)

Cons
Intensity/Defensive pressure - Our guns are great to watch but its the pressure which frees them to look so good.
Lairising near goal - Fev seems intent on hitting the miracle goal. Both he & Betts took shots from the angle when they could have striaghtened or run closer and nailed it. Fev has been doing this in every game this season.
Two weeks in a row we've taken our foot off the gas & let the opposition back in the game.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:30 pm 
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Con: I thought the umpiring was pretty ordinary both ways actually.
Midfield just never got into gear
Long weekend ruined.

Pro: Judd brilliant.
Wiggins marking good, shame about the miss but thought he battled hard.
Murphy's 2 goals very good.
Had very few winners on the night but still within a kick at the end.
If the players can react well we are a good chance against Sydney.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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flowering camporeale dirty prick jumping around and celebrating in their box

why cant our players have as much hate for these pricks as i do ?

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:36 pm 
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flowering camporeale dirty prick jumping around and celebrating in their box

i didnt see that
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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:37 pm 
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Pro
- Jacobs goes OK
- Judd
- Wiggins first half
- Essendon* highlighted our leg speed problem - if we are going to play in September at least that gives us time to address this deficiency
- Grigg and Stevens will be better for the run

Cons
Simpson looks like a fish up a tree at the moment (and has done all season), seems to have lost all his touch, and his first reaction is seemingly to run backward each time he gets the ball.
How many times can we be carved up by Lovett without some kind of plan to quell him (he isn't that good)
Coaching box slow to react when it was abundantly obvious that Essendon* were outrunning us
If we aren't prepared to tackle next week Sydney will pull our pants down at the stoppages

FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM - we can't kill off a game. Last week against Brisbane the game shoulda been over by half time. Similarly with the amount of foward 50 entries in the first quarter this week we shoulda been at least 35 points in front.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:39 pm 
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Cons:

We lost to a team of nobodies.

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:banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Cons:

Losing to Essendon* who are an average team.


Pros:

Pressure should be relaxed on the team a little with media expectation tempered.
The reality check will do the team good in the long run.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:45 pm 
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- Judd
- The Chief (minus the Goal he missed but plus the last goal just before three qtr time)
- 1st qtr
- Jacobs and Kruez but ok against Hille who traditionally kills us

Cons
- umpiring was poor in general but that Lloyd free and double goal took all the momentum away from us
- we showed at crucial points in the match that we could not control the play and we let Essendon* get a run on; good teams stem the flow and we could not
- tackling count to three quater time was in the low 20s; much lower than in the last 2 rounds and simply not good enough
- in the last half I was suprised to see how slow and inactive we were; fitness? no sure but too often the player with the ball looked up and had to kick to a contest; the dons on the otherhand sensing victory worked and ran much harder
- I thought we were outcoached. When you see Bower racking up possession you know that Knights was happy to shut down our skillful backs and let Bower free
- I knew were in trouble when I did not see any of Gibbs, Murphy, Hadley or Simo along side Judd's name in dreamteam points.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
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Cons - How can we lose to these flowering pricks time and again ? Flowering ammo ! About time the players took a bit of pride in their performances. Hurt as much as we do !

Flower all the new age crap, hope Ratts flogs them on the track this week. Time the players realised that somethings are just not acceptable.

Pros - Thankfully I am in Estonia, the eye candy here and booze should help ease the pain...

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