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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:48 pm 
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PROs:

. Houlihan
. Russell
. Fev (on one leg) got us going, and then won the game when it was there to be won.

CONs:

. Some Carlton "supporters". Fair dinkum, when Houla punches the ball (like Judd did yesterday) instead of marking, you're all over him. But when he plays a superb in and under game with intensity and silk............. @#$%&! SILENCE!!!! You guys are something else. And the 3 idiots behind me bagging GarTlett every time he touched the ball. Get a @#$%&! clue, morons.
. Jamo and Walker.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:28 pm 
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Pros:

Another win of the Dome. We're finally starting to learn to win there.

I still think we play better on bigger grounds though! Interesting how Wiggins, our current CHF, dominated last week on the bigger ground. And then hardly featured at all this week on the smaller ground.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:29 pm 
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Houlihan Great first half
Average second half
And Judd should have marked it

Silence broken

Lets see how Hoops and Stevo go when a game is really tough contest

Hasnt exactly happen yet
although Houlihan went missing when Brisbane bounced back

I still reckon he is too much of a front runner particularly given his experience compared to other members of the team.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:39 pm 
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-Pros- All covered

Comments- To criticise the recruitment of Yarran over rich is absolute disgrace, when we clearly need goal kickers and a few x factor players. If Rich ends up being a 200 game bronlow medalist so be it but we need forwards.

JR was ok last last night but isn't in our best 22 if stevens, walker, grigg are fit.



Cons- We do not have the key position depth to win a premiership. (Jamo injury)
Therefore- must play Setanta when possible in defence.
Kreuzer should be developed as a forward not a Ruckman. If Fev gets injured we will fall back to the pack. but if he gets injured and Kreuzer can still fill the breach at CHF or FF, we could go deep in the finals.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:11 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Houlihan Great first half
Average second half
And Judd should have marked it

Silence broken

Lets see how Hoops and Stevo go when a game is really tough contest

Hasnt exactly happen yet
although Houlihan went missing when Brisbane bounced back

I still reckon he is too much of a front runner particularly given his experience compared to other members of the team.


I think Houla was off the ground between the 11 minute mark in the 3rd quarter to the 26th minute mark.

Houla had a great last quarter. He stood up when it counted. He were better with Houla on the park; no doubt.

Houla did a lot of damage to Brisbane in that first half. Best half of footy I've seen of him.

Gibbs can win a Brownlow by a mile if he keeps up this form.

Murphy is the little master; equal to Gibbs.

Kreuzer will be the follower when Warnock breaks into the team.

Waite is elite.

CONS: no comment

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:31 pm 
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Bower - gone backwards quickly


Bit Harsh. He is rarely beaten and tonight he was giving away weight and strength and 175 games experience.

Regards Cazzesman.

+1

Bradshaw has got an extra 10 pre-seasons into his core and is a master of the KPP trade from both sides. Lets not forget that he is a 200 game player with two premierships and a handful of club goal kicking titles... Lets also not forget that we still had a double team on Jonno Brown while Jamo was off the ground.

The goal where Bradshaw out-muscled Bower in the second half (the one where he marked on the edge of the square) was textbook Full Forward. The early kick put Bower out of position and Bradshaw was too quick to make the initial contact. From there, he could have pushed Andre the Giant into the second row if he wanted.

Yes, Bower got found out.... but its not like he got the type of monstering reserved for Zac Dawson or Harry O'Brien. All that 10-15 minute patch showed was that Bower is not quite as strong as Bradshaw, Brown, Buddy and Fev. That type of strength and nous doesn't grow on trees. Bower might have the frame, and he might be adding muscle, but the skill Bradshaw displayed is one that comes from wrestling and beating up on blokes for a long period of time.

In any case, I can only see two more games where that might be an issue. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:42 pm 
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Pros:

Was there

Awesome company

We won

Cons: You're kidding, right?


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:49 pm 
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Pro's....am i the only one that loves Hadley?

Cloke actually has a presence!

AJ is a little annoying terrier...love him

EDDIE,EDDIE,EDDIE

CONS
Standing in line for a coffee, and Carrots and 206 were behind me...how are we going to fit them in?....or is that a pro????

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Mark J wrote:
Pro's....am i the only one that loves Hadley?

Cloke actually has a presence!

AJ is a little annoying terrier...love him

EDDIE,EDDIE,EDDIE

CONS
Standing in line for a coffee, and Carrots and 206 were behind me...how are we going to fit them in?....or is that a pro????



Nah......I love Hadley too:


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:29 pm 
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Pros:
- Determination of the team to dig in and fight back after being challenged - we would've rolled over last year or the year before
- Hadley and his worth to the team - IMHO just as important as Judd, Murphy and Gibbs in the middle.
- Gibbs moulding into a superstar
- Murphy > see Gibbs
- Kreuzer > see Gibbs
- Betts, again for the second week really stepping up (the recruitment of Yarran and Garlett may have ignited him)
- Jacobs, Joseph and Garlett justifying their spots in the best 22 (and don't just look at the posessions, look at the work they do when they don't have the ball)
- After a quiet first 3 qtrs, Robbo really brought himself into the game in defence and looked like he had played 100 games already.
- Our players remonstrating with Brown after his low act on Murphy

Cons:
- Lapse in the 3qtr
- Jamo injury :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:35 pm 
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Pro: We are still on top :thumbsup:

http://sportal.com.au/afl-ladder/1025

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Pro: We are still on top :thumbsup:

http://sportal.com.au/afl-ladder/1025


Con
Our percentage dropped by over 60% from 223% to 161%

:razz:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:45 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
CONS
Standing in line for a coffee, and Carrots and 206 were behind me...how are we going to fit them in?....or is that a pro????


Mark how did you enjoy the coffee? My latte probably had half a bean of coffee in total, shocking :mad:


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:48 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
PROs:

. Houlihan
. Russell
. Fev (on one leg) got us going, and then won the game when it was there to be won.

CONs:

. Some Carlton "supporters". Fair dinkum, when Houla punches the ball (like Judd did yesterday) instead of marking, you're all over him. But when he plays a superb in and under game with intensity and silk............. flower SILENCE!!!! You guys are something else. And the 3 idiots behind me bagging GarTlett every time he touched the ball. Get a flower clue, morons.
. Jamo and Walker.


I'm right with you there. I've posted it before that I find it totally unfathomable that people call out, "C'mon Houlihan/Russell/Stevens, DO SOMETHING!" as they're about to enter a contest. Then whenever they proceed to absolutely nail the moment, there is no joy. I don't get it at all. It makes me want the boys to succeed all the more. I thought there were two or three 50/50 balls where Hoops had to put his body on the line and he won the contests outright and got it going our way. His evasive skills seem top notch at the moment and we all saw his class in spades as he slotted that shot from the boundary in the second quarter. He has had a fantastic start to the year IMO. Let's hope he keeps it up.

On Garlett, I really like him as a player but he (understandably for a young kid) seemed to lack the confidence to have a crack at the goals when he had the chance last night. A few times he had the ball within range and he hesitated as he looked for an option to pass to. Whether he can best acquire this confidence in the 1s or 2s I'm not sure. He is great when we don't have the ball though.

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PRO: ROSS Gibbs' seed....

CON: Didn't see much as on FOX :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:05 am 
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Pros:

I thought Hoops was great last nite. The naysayers criticise him for being too soft, however there have been ample examples where he has shown this to be not true. Threw his body into contests a number of times both on Saturday and also in the first round. Silky skills and is finally being alowed to play in the position that suits him best on the ground. I have said it before and I will say it again - Pagan killed Hoops by playing him in the backline and/or roles which didnt suit him. Thankfully Ratten has a clue and we are starting to see the value Ryan has too our team.

Gibbs- I'm not sure how many times I said - Is anyone playing on him? Just an outstanding game from gibbsy, GUN

Hadley - unbelievable toughness. Is very underestimated. Definitely adds to the midfield and his presence and experience to our midfield is up there with JUDDs IMO.

Kruze - How can a guy who is supposed to be a "ruckmen" have as many third, fourth and five efforts to balls in dispute at ground level? Amazing stuff.... Awesome rucking performance as well!

Cloke - much maligned, but this guy is really playing well. Creates contests consistently on the forward line and is bringing players like Betts and Garlett more into the game as a result. Very important part to our forwardline structure IMO.

Cons - the slowness to react to Bradshaws dominance. This is not a criticism of Bower by any means, but it was pretty obvious that match up was not working...

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Pros: All good

Cons: Two & a half minutes to go in Q4, game won, Blues start chipping around until game end.
Should finish the game with full intensity and desire to score. Percentage is important.

Besides, I had $350 points bet (-23.5), and they only needed one more goal for me to win!!!!!!!
Couldn't take the short price on a straight win bet, which, I hope, will continue to be a problem
throughout our season.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros & Cons
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Mark J wrote:
CONS
Standing in line for a coffee, and Carrots and 206 were behind me...how are we going to fit them in?....or is that a pro????

Pro
Even with the injuries to Jammo and 1AW and with 206 and Carrots not ready, we will still have at least a couple of players who will be stiff to miss out. I am glad that I am not a selector. Its a great position for the club to be in.

If Jammo is the only out due to injury from last week and with Stevo, Grigg deserving to come straight back in (if fit), there will be some tough selection decisions. The potential match ups might be a major factor and tip the decision in favour of Setanta. If it is Setanta for Jammo, then there will be at least a couple of unlucky players if Stevo and Grigg come in.

In my opinion none of the 22 against Brisbane deserve to be dropped on form, but how do you leave out players of the calibre of Grigg (preseason form awesome) and Stevo?

It is a dilemma, but that degree of depth is what makes great sides.

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Cons - the slowness to react to Bradshaws dominance. This is not a criticism of Bower by any means, but it was pretty obvious that match up was not working...


I think the coaching staff made the deliberate decision to concede Bradshaw's dominance and keep Waite's rebounding. Risky call I agree.

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Cons - the slowness to react to Bradshaws dominance. This is not a criticism of Bower by any means, but it was pretty obvious that match up was not working...


I think the coaching staff made the deliberate decision to concede Bradshaw's dominance and keep Waite's rebounding. Risky call I agree.


Bradshaw's last 2 games against us, he kicked 6 goals in each and they still lost.

6 goals isn't what it used to be.

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