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thegezman
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:27 pm 
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Having surplus ruckmen will = GOLD for us when GC are trading picks for established players. They're not going to go into their first season with a 17yo first ruck.



i agree and have been thinking/posting this for a while.

Hampson is from up their, and he's change to walk right in and their main guy will surely be appealing.
i love the hammer, but if we could potentailly package some bentick/carraazzo, fisher types with a guy like hammer, then maybe we could be looking at some tasty picks when they are at a premium.

just thinking aloud. nothing more.

i couldn't help but smile after reading that article :smile:
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Something along the lines that he was already resigned to Carlton before draft day and that it was impossible for another club to pick him up. The reason we had to go through the whole process at all was because he had been a rookie for too long.

Point is, Emma and a few posters seems to suggest that he was on the outer last year, where as I'm not sure this was the case.


I don't know about the already re-signed bit, but AFAIK he was only released and re-drafted because he had spent the maximum time allowed on the rookie list. To keep him without promoting him we had to re-draft.

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Having surplus ruckmen will = GOLD for us when GC are trading picks for established players. They're not going to go into their first season with a 17yo first ruck.

I htink ruck trades will always be handy and this is going to maybe get us a top ten pick if we trade him to GC17. They will be looking for local players and have so many top ten picks they will be able to splash them about a bit. We can argue we got him at 19 and spent three years developing him to a top ten trade.
Having said that, we are only two injuries away from needing all the rucks we can keep. We should also bear in mind that he is a gun athlete and if he turns into a good overhead player, we might have a replacement for someone like Fev in a few years time. All the clubs will be looking for the new Franklin...

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jacobs coming on, is a bonus for us and offeres us a huge opportunity to free up kreuzer.

jacobs, hampson and warnock to do our ruck work.

kreuzer to play up forward.

I reckon Kreuzer out of the square would be phenomenal and Fevola playing further upfield as a roaming forward, CHF type role and in front of Kreuzer would be fantastic. combine that with the some of the crumbers we are starting to get, would make for a very very handy forward line.

Fevola would be near impossible to man up on, no double teams, and i would back him in more times than not to beat his opponent.

Kreuzer, out of the sqaure, again, (he would need to adapt) but as we saw against Port last year, could be very damamging.

infact, a very similair way in which Brown/Bradshaw work, we could go with Kreuzer/Fevola.

I still think we lack 1 key forward, and if Warnock/Jacobs/Hampson can take care of the ruck work, that frees up Kreuzer to do that role and we continiue to improve and take the next step again.

A forward line of Kreuzer/Fevola/Betts/Yarren (or Garlet)/Wiggins/Robinson would be phenomonal IMO and very hard to stop. combine that with the goals the midfield is kicking at the moment and we would be hitting between 15-20 goals every game IMO, which would take us a hell of a long way to finishing top 4 and having a serious tilt at a flag.


Nothing more to be said. As per usual, well said SS. :thumbsup:
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Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:
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We were flatlining at ZERO till Pratt came back to the club - we have been moving up eversince then. :wink:

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samblueboy wrote:
Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:


Carlton Team to play Port Adelaide that week way back in time....

F: HOTTON 37 McKERNAN 2 PLUNKETT 40

HF: CRANAGE 15 LIVINGSTON 4 HICKMOTT 9

C: CHRISTOU 39 BRADLEY 21 PRENDERGAST 28

HB: McKAY 5 BEAUMONT 29 WIGGINS 34

B: FRANCHINA 45 MANTON 22 THORNTON 32

FOLL: MERRINGTON 19, MURPHY 18, CAMPOREALE 16

INTERCHANGE: DOERING 48, ECCLES 20, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, HOULIHAN 33, O'KEEFE 26



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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
samblueboy wrote:
Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:


Carlton Team to play Port Adelaide that week way back in time....

F: HOTTON 37 McKERNAN 2 PLUNKETT 40

HF: CRANAGE 15 LIVINGSTON 4 HICKMOTT 9

C: CHRISTOU 39 BRADLEY 21 PRENDERGAST 28

HB: McKAY 5 BEAUMONT 29 WIGGINS 34

B: FRANCHINA 45 MANTON 22 THORNTON 32

FOLL: MERRINGTON 19, MURPHY 18, CAMPOREALE 16

INTERCHANGE: DOERING 48, ECCLES 20, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, HOULIHAN 33, O'KEEFE 26



:eek:


Christ there was some sh#te in there. Makes me shudder really.
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
samblueboy wrote:
Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:


Carlton Team to play Port Adelaide that week way back in time....

F: HOTTON 37 McKERNAN 2 PLUNKETT 40

HF: CRANAGE 15 LIVINGSTON 4 HICKMOTT 9

C: CHRISTOU 39 BRADLEY 21 PRENDERGAST 28

HB: McKAY 5 BEAUMONT 29 WIGGINS 34

B: FRANCHINA 45 MANTON 22 THORNTON 32

FOLL: MERRINGTON 19, MURPHY 18, CAMPOREALE 16

INTERCHANGE: DOERING 48, ECCLES 20, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, HOULIHAN 33, O'KEEFE 26



:eek:


I think I will have a nightmare tonight :cry:

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6 premiership players then, only two now. :cry:
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chubbyruss wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
samblueboy wrote:
Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:


Carlton Team to play Port Adelaide that week way back in time....

F: HOTTON 37 McKERNAN 2 PLUNKETT 40

HF: CRANAGE 15 LIVINGSTON 4 HICKMOTT 9

C: CHRISTOU 39 BRADLEY 21 PRENDERGAST 28

HB: McKAY 5 BEAUMONT 29 WIGGINS 34

B: FRANCHINA 45 MANTON 22 THORNTON 32

FOLL: MERRINGTON 19, MURPHY 18, CAMPOREALE 16

INTERCHANGE: DOERING 48, ECCLES 20, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, HOULIHAN 33, O'KEEFE 26



:eek:


I think I will have a nightmare tonight :cry:


Amazing that a 22 year old Brendan Fevola couldn't get a game for that rabble. If Fev had been more mature he'd be on track to pass Sticks' record this year and heading for 1000.

Of course if he'd been mature he wouldn't have lasted to pick 38 :smoking:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:44 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Juddanaught09 wrote:
Something along the lines that he was already resigned to Carlton before draft day and that it was impossible for another club to pick him up. The reason we had to go through the whole process at all was because he had been a rookie for too long.

Point is, Emma and a few posters seems to suggest that he was on the outer last year, where as I'm not sure this was the case.


I don't know about the already re-signed bit, but AFAIK he was only released and re-drafted because he had spent the maximum time allowed on the rookie list. To keep him without promoting him we had to re-draft.

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You actually went off the rookie list at the end of last season. At the time, did the Club make assurances they would seek to redraft you?

I always knew I was going to stay at Carlton. I don’t know where that rumour about the South Australian Clubs came from, it was all news to me.

At the Rookie Draft, we’d already all signed the papers for me to stay at Carlton. In the National Draft and Pre-Season Draft anyone could have taken me, but for the Rookie Draft there can be a lot more certainty and you basically sign on as a player for a Rookie Draft. It was all done before the day.
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
samblueboy wrote:
Great article. Certainly better than this one. :eek:


Carlton Team to play Port Adelaide that week way back in time....

F: HOTTON 37 McKERNAN 2 PLUNKETT 40

HF: CRANAGE 15 LIVINGSTON 4 HICKMOTT 9

C: CHRISTOU 39 BRADLEY 21 PRENDERGAST 28

HB: McKAY 5 BEAUMONT 29 WIGGINS 34

B: FRANCHINA 45 MANTON 22 THORNTON 32

FOLL: MERRINGTON 19, MURPHY 18, CAMPOREALE 16

INTERCHANGE: DOERING 48, ECCLES 20, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, HOULIHAN 33, O'KEEFE 26



:eek:



Flatlining at ZERO - I take that back - we were in the 7th pit of hell. :eek:

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molsey
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That's right Juddanaught, he said he'd already been signed up before the Rookie Draft - so had others - so the day itself was not an issue. he could have bene picked up by anyone before the Rookie Draft but not in the Rookie Draft, according to him.
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SurreyBlue
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It's all about positioning, not a bad team at all really. :razz:

F: BEAUMONT 29 MERRINGTON 19 HOULIHAN 33

HF: WIGGINS 34 PRENDERGAST 28 HICKMOTT 9

C: ECCLES 20 PLUNKETT 40 CAMPOREALE 16

HB: McKAY 5 THORNTON 32 CHRISTOU 39

B: FRANCHINA 45 LIVINGSTON 4 MANTON 22

FOLL: McKERNAN 2, MURPHY 18, BRADLEY 21

INTERCHANGE: HOTTON 37, DOERING 48, FLETCHER 31, PICKERING 6

EMERGENCIES: BEASY 42, CRANAGE 15, O'KEEFE 26
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Kaptain Kouta
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It's not an especially bad team, but I'm glad we're a long way away from that time.

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What about Brad Fisher? With those long arms and bad kicking... Ah, second thoughts, forget it!!!

I knew that we would be a good team once Brad Fisher couldn't make it. I guess that day has arrived. What is the future for the Fish? Not too much by my reckoning. Perhaps if half of our team get gastro then he might get a look in.

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In amongst the pros and cons of Sam Jacobs over the years there's probably a prevailing view that he's a bit dinosaur-ish, a bit slow on the run in comparison to other players in the modern game. But watching the Rd2 game again, particuarly Q1 and Q2 you see some interesting things. There's a great pickup for Murphy's Q1 goal where Jacobs basically sees a loose ball, gets to it quicker than anyone, and on knees picks up and handballs to the running player.

Afew minutes into the second and Sauce is makingposition at half forward for a positive entry.

He definitely has some attributes that are useful in this game. Add it to Kreuzer's athleticism and footy smarts and hopefully Warnocks....206...and it's an interesting mix.
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He might not be the quickest bloke around, but he's got good ball handling skills. And some footy smarts. And I really love the way he uses his obvious size in the ruck contests. It's been a long time since we've had a ruckman capable of a bit of physical intimidation. He's also really good with his tap work. I reckon there's a bit of Mark Porter about Sauce.
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Kaptain Kouta
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He might not be the quickest bloke around, but he's got good ball handling skills. And some footy smarts.


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Good thing he doesn't wear #8

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