R2: Pros & Cons

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:10 am

Con - Jamo
Con - Setanta getting himself suspended belting a teammate when last night he would have been made a life member for caving Browns head in after that dog act on Murph.

Pro - Setanta to make Lloyd his bitch again next week.

The_Cranium · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:14 am

Cazzesman wrote:

pros -
The three 1's. They all just make me stand and cheer. I can see a Brownlow trifecta in the future
A fit Hadley, Houls and a new Johnson
The vibe that Robbo, AJ and a fit Eddie bring.
The defensive pressure of Fev.
The mindset the players now have - If they compete fiercely they can win.
Waits consistency of effort and leadership. The sine wave is now flattening out :thumbsup:

Big Sammy's around the ground work.
Some very good players still in reserve.

cons -
Injuries

Regards Cazzesman

Caz, You forgot to mention Jordan Russell in your Cons!!!! :razz:

stubba · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:17 am

Pro: Fev's commitment and self-discipline
Con: Mindless & tedious JR haters

aramari · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:20 am

jt wrote:

bax wrote:

The bagging of Bower. Those who think he is going backwards aren't seeing the big picture. He's not the first and certainly wont be the last to get physically monstored by Bradshaw.

I recon Bradshaw is up there as one of the most underrated players in the game...great mark and great kick for goal...although im not too sure about his defensive abilities.

Agree about Bradshaw, I've rated him for 10 years. if not for a couple of knee recos, spending a few seasons in the backline, and having Lynch and Brown in front of him as go to forward he would have 750 goals and be rated higher than Fevola.

Don't see why Bower should be exempt from criticism though, he was belted. I guess I expected better from him after some great work last year.

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:22 am

Pros - a win and our on-ballers are kicking goals

Not a pro or a con, more a reality but we are going to have to get used to getting scored on heavily and heart stopping come backs from opposition sides are going to become the norm.

Blue Revival · **Joined:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 am **Posts:** 983

Pro's
-Special mention to Murph and Gibbs. they are visibly growing in poise and confidence every week! its scary how good they will be :thumbsup:

- our attack on the footy
-confidence to take the game on when we were under seige

Cons
- injuries to jamo and tex
-JR haters. enough already...seriously!!
-Ray flower Chamberlain. worst.umpire.ever.

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

Pro - A win!

Con - counterintuitive protectionists!

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:42 am

Pro :- Skinny's redesigned forward line.

Con :- Still a bit young to apply the full on pressure that Ratts wants for 4 quarters. It will happen though.

Megaman · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:01 pm

Smiley wrote:

I post very rarely, yet read the posts on this site every day, but feel that credit should be given where due.
Travis Johnstone caned WCE last week, this week, half as effective, half the disposals, due to his opponent.
I have been known to malign JR as much, maybe more than most. But let's look at this objectively - no-one thinks twice about the mark Judd dropped while clear tonight. No-one thinks twice about the punch over the boundary line by Judd tonight when he could have easily have marked the ball. If both of those incidents had have been actioned by JR, there would have been calls for him to be axed permanently.
Regardless of supercoach/dreamteam points, which show JR played a good game, the lad did well tonight. Every single player doesn't leave the field without making mistakes (see Luke Hodge in their game tonight), so look at his game in its entirety.
He played well, and was a reason why we won.
Here endeth the rant.

Good luck with that mate, but some posters have made up their mind RE: JR and don't want to admit they were wrong about him becoming a player.

Why, one stated late last year that JR would be delisted outright as soon as the season had finished, no trade, just delisted.

blu944 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:22 pm

PRO - both this week and last week we showed the ability to play short bursts of football that completely bury the opposition; not grinding them, completly out-classing them. In both second quarters Richmond and Brisbane looked remarkably similar in the way they fumbled and coughed it up on their defensive 50's and let us charge the ball through the back of the square and into the attacking 50. The ability to sustain the defensive pressure and offensive run isn't quite there yet, but I think what we're seeing is a dominant team in its infancy.

CON - shoulders

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

Megaman wrote:

Smiley wrote:

I post very rarely, yet read the posts on this site every day, but feel that credit should be given where due.
Travis Johnstone caned WCE last week, this week, half as effective, half the disposals, due to his opponent.
I have been known to malign JR as much, maybe more than most. But let's look at this objectively - no-one thinks twice about the mark Judd dropped while clear tonight. No-one thinks twice about the punch over the boundary line by Judd tonight when he could have easily have marked the ball. If both of those incidents had have been actioned by JR, there would have been calls for him to be axed permanently.
Regardless of supercoach/dreamteam points, which show JR played a good game, the lad did well tonight. Every single player doesn't leave the field without making mistakes (see Luke Hodge in their game tonight), so look at his game in its entirety.
He played well, and was a reason why we won.
Here endeth the rant.

Good luck with that mate, but some posters have made up their mind RE: JR and don't want to admit they were wrong about him becoming a player.

Why, one stated late last year that JR would be delisted outright as soon as the season had finished, no trade, just delisted.

Probably but that says more about their naivety regarding the provisions of a football side than it does about their opinion on a particular player (in this case, Russell).

Although you get some obstinate types, in general, I think some people should not mistake concerns regarding where Russell fits into team structure for outright dismissal of his ability. You can allow for a player to improve to the point that they are deemed worthy of getting a game in a winning side without calling for the so-called 'naysayers' to publicly proclaim how horribly wrong they were. What would that achieve?

Ponkstar · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:38 pm

Yes Bower got towelled by Bradshaw but I don't think even Matt Scarlett could have stopped him in those circumstances. Most Bradshaw's goals were from marks on the lead and Bradshaw is one of the best leading marks in the comp.

The fault ultimately lay with our midfield who turned the ball over and failed to apply defensive pressure on their rebounding runners thereby allowing easy passes to the leading forward.

bluemad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:40 pm

Pros: We're sitting at the top 2-0
Even tho' Bris came back at us, we kept fighting to the end.
Fev playing with a dodgy heel and still managing to kick 5.(Fevalenko, you beauty!!)
Judd: I love you, Chris. You're my hero......

CONS: Brown picking on one of the smallest guys out there. Pick on someone your own size you big bully!!
That bloody LEPRECHAUN Chamberlain.When is Ray gonna stand up and be a man (Ohh I'm sorry, He really is that short! :oops:

)

Blue Revival · **Joined:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 am **Posts:** 983

bluemad wrote:

That bloody LEPRECHAUN Chamberlain.When is Ray gonna stand up and be a man (Ohh I'm sorry, He really is that short!

he's the poster boy for short man syndrome, or something similar...

camel · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:17 pm

Stefchook wrote:

LosAzules wrote:

* Looking at the 4 Carlton players at the Centre bounce and realising that Judd is the only one that is not a #1 draft pick.

Haha, that's awesome! :smoking:

aramari · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:36 pm

camelboy wrote:

Stefchook wrote:

LosAzules wrote:

* Looking at the 4 Carlton players at the Centre bounce and realising that Judd is the only one that is not a #1 draft pick.

Haha, that's awesome! :smoking:

yeah Juddy's done well for a battler :grin:

I think he's learned a lot from Murph and Gibbs :donk:

sticksaftersiren87 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:50 am **Posts:** 1235

PRO
The absolute 100% effort and commitment by the boys for 4 qtrs. At the final siren, the boys weren;t celebrating, they were all hands on hips, hands of shorts exhausted.
Super job by Russell and Joseph tagging johnstone and hooper
Gibbs - does this guy ever make a wrong decision
Murphy - superbly fit
Betts
Thornton
Waite
Hadley

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:06 pm

I have no shame in admitting that i'm not a JR fan. It's my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Sorry if that upsets anybody but...... Meh!

He did well on Johnston last night. Good on him. TJ is a dangerous player when not shown any respect. But JR still misses targets by both hand and foot regularly and fails to convert the most easiest of goals.

Good effort last night. Hope he backs it up next week, but as a footballer i expect him to be able to have some basic skills, not just good tagging efforts.

Although give credit where credit is due, he has stepped up on his tackling skills. The whole team has. Very impressive.

PROs:-

Judd / Murphy / Gibbs
Could well be getting close to the BEST midfield in the comp. YEAH - I said that. Gibbs is all class and Judd (although somewhat iffy during the 1st qtr) is getting close to being the best in the business again. And Murphy..... oh my god..... he's just special!

Fevola
haha. He's great isn't he?

Betts
A fit Betts is an assest to this team.

Tackling
As i said above, we have REALLY stepped up on this since last season. Very impressive.

CONS:-

Intensity
Shiffted in the 3rd qtr, we really should have won by 35+ points.

Not much else really. Thought it was a good team effort.

jt · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:25 pm

No team can keep up that intensity for 4 quarters week in week out though, not even the best teams.

Theres usually ebbs and flows in every game where momentum swings but the best teams are able to hold it for longer and make more out of it than the lower teams, who screw it up with turnovers or whatever.

Heavs · **Posted:** Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:37 pm

Pro : Best game I've seen from Kreuzer. I reckon he won 90% of the taps he was involved in and was awesome round the ground.

Con: I had $50 on us between 20-39 points. One lousy point cost me $200 odd.

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