Agree to a certain extent, which is why I said 'big colleges'. Systems such as Florida, USC, Utah, Texas, Penn State and a dozen others would be perfect I would have thought. Although perhaps the easy way was taken here because the NFL combine brings the elite college players to the one venue over a three day period - it's all there in front of them. Unless you were running the draft camp for the AFL as AFL/AIS head, I would have thought the NFL level may not translate all that well.

Still - if I run into WH around the traps, it'll be the first question I ask him.

Players change positions all the time at collegiate level and may play something altogether different at NFL level.

I think there's a guy in this draft who came into college as a tight-end, played there and played productively, then was plugged into defensive end, got 11 sacks last season and now they're projecting him as a linebacker despite not playing the position.

I'd prefer to see what the top level scouts make of a player's physical abilities and skill set, and the ideas the coaches have in regards to using them. It still tells you a lot about talent evaluation despite the age gap.

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I'm sure he would be happy to fill you in. Apparently a lengthy document about the trip has been submitted. They spent several days with the recruiting staff from the New York Jets going through every aspect of their recruiting process. The trip was all about finding out how the clubs go about making their final recruiting decisions. The depth of the background they go into on every player they like. Their friends, family, work, school etc. Once the background is done by trained investigators the players are questioned at length. If they get caught telling fibs a line is put through their name. The gents also looked into the Drug testing that is performed and the mental assessments the players are put through etc.

At the camp each club had literally dozens of observes watching the moves of every invitee (300+) I think 1 team had 46 observers at the Camp. In the sprint tests most clubs had 6 or so observers hand timing each runner, rather than just relying on the electronic timing machine. The Camp is apparently run with absolute precision and each club chips in big, big, big bucks to fund it. I think the sum of $1 million was mentioned. With 30+ clubs that's a big bucket of money to play with.

Regards Cazzesman

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Thanks for the reply. Nice to see it was the Jets! Great organization. Would love to read the report one day!

That would be because the official timing is hand-started. Not super-reliable but it's either that or put up with false starts.

The Jets? :\

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Cazzesman going to Collingwood?!? That would be like Joffa coming to Carlton!

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Would be an easier move for Cazzes; he wouldn't have to get an electronic tracking anklet removed to get across town

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So are you saying Cazzesman is like Joffa?

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Like all good koans it can be interpeted in many different ways

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I haven't watched them yet, but there are some clips on the AFL website about the CFC recruiters heading to the States...

http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/116116

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Another opprtunity to thank Wayne and the team for excellent work. Loving the way the list is coming along

How could he leave after being looked after like this.

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Another well rounded statement in keeping with your high standard.

Care to explain how we had 3 rookies make their debut and a pick 40?

To take the rookie bit further we had 5 in there last night all picked by Hughes.

No big loss? ....Yeah right?

At this point we can say that Hughes has done well. In 2 years time he might look a genius

I've got some time on my hands so I thought I'd do the 800th analysis on our drafting under Hughes. I'll give a mark out of 10 to the recruiter for player quality, potential, and quality of the choice compared to other available players. Haven't looked at trades, PSD or Rookie draft

2004

Russell - 7 Remarkably weak draft. Jordan's slowly putting it together. In the top 12-15 from that draft

Hartlett - 4 Looks like a bust. Injury-ravaged - bad luck for Hughes, coulda been a contender

Blackwell - 2 Error. Maybe a club influenced decision? Too small and slow. Newton, M Morton, Sherman, Slattery immediately after Luke's pick

Bryan - 7 Good pick at 70. A bit slack at Carlton but effectively traded for Clokey, so not bad. Showing his talent at Collingwood

Raso - 3 Never played a game, rarely got close. A punt on underage player with scope always a risk

2005

Murphy - 8.5 Star player as expected with pick 1. May be the best player from that year, can't ask for more

Kennedy - 6.5 Still expect plenty from him at WCE. Pendlebury stands out of those drafted below JK

Bower - 7 Developing well. Ibbo, Addison, McKinley came after but none are significantly better than Bower

Edwards - 2 Disappointment. Not good enough to take opportunities as second marking forward. Plenty of good players taken after him - J Anthony, Hooper Warnock Carlile gamble Lonergan S Buckley Patfull Minson Bartram Stokes

2006

Gibbs 8.5 Super player could be anything. Hint of Kernahan bias in the early selection. Selwood has impressed more but was un-takeable at pick 1 with his injury history

Hampson - 6 Desperately needed ruckman, Hammer has the scope to be that man. Too early to say but brave move. Renouf Tippet Goldstein taken in next 20 picks

Grigg - 8.5 Star in the making. Strong bodied ball winner and carrier - awesome result. urquhart and P Stewart look ok too

Austin - 6.5 I think he'll play a lot of senior footy. nearly there. Some good smalls have impressed in the meantime Alwyn Houli Mackay Riemers Garland

Benjamin - 2 Ran quickly, left quickly. L Thomas, P Gray, josh Hill, Goldsack, Gill. Poor result

Anderson - 6 Fair player for the pick, has every chance to make it. Westhoff stands out as do Edwards and Rodan as recycleds

2007

Kruezer - 8.5 Agonizing choice with Cotchin - Needed Kruezer more and looks a good option

Browne - 6.5 I rate him highly.

Armfield - 6 Good value. Too early to compare these picks

2008

Yarran - 7.5 Brave call with super safe mids in Rich Ziebell Sidebottom when we needed a forward. Great draft pressure on for Chris to succeed. no doubting his talent

Robinson - 9 Revelation at that pick. Over -age so less room for improvement but add 10% to that and you have a star.

O'Keeffe - 7 Like what I've seen - take Scotland's spot in 2 years? Could be a steal

Tiller - ? Not enough info

I'd give Hughes a B+ for his recruiting time at Carlton. I reckon 70% of the players he's drafted in the National Draft will end up with reasonable careers at least - very good strike rate. With some great picks he couldn't blow it, and has picked up solid AFL players in Russell, Bower, Grigg Armfield Browne. Robinson could be his biggest win yet. o'Keeffe Austin and Anderson have AFL ability. For me Yarran and Hampson are the keys to Hughes' legacy (to this point). If they can reach their potential we will be winning flags, because their ceiling is so high, yet the chance of failure is a little higher.

I agree that the recruiting of Blackwell was probably an error. Players of his size and athleticism need some outstanding weapon to make it. I have similar questions about Ellard, but at least he's a better kick and a goalkicker, and we only gave up a rookie selection for him.

Mitch Morton went to West Coast as a 'father-son'. Unfortunately was unavailable to other clubs. Would think he would have gone top 6 otherwise. Good, talented player. Richmond did well to pick him up so cheaply.

How McMahon was worth pick 19 and Morton pick 35 I'll never know

Morton wasn't worth pick 35. But it was the pick West Coast could get him at, under the father-son rules.

Good assesment i agree with all of that...compare our strike rate from those drafts to those of some other clubs such as Essendon*, Richmond and St Kilda ours is much better...our kids look to have probably the most talent out of any clubs...even the non no. 1's.


Can anyone tell me though...exactly how much imput is put in by Wayne Hughes? How much is done by his assistants?

If we were to lose Hughes but keep the assistants...would there be much difference?

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Richmonds recruiting

04
1. Deledio
4. Tambling
12. Meyer
16. Pattison
20. Polo

05
8. Oakley-Nicholls


These players were suppose to form the emerging nucleus of the Richmond footy club...id say we've done quite well in comparison.

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