I'll put myself on the line here and say that if we finish last, Murphy will end up with us and not Brisbane.
Big guarantee here.

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Well what happens is you get the next best available talents....Thats how things work.. but the best available talents are what we need.
If Murphy signs with the Lions its bad luck....we go another peg back...
If Kosi signs same thing.. but you hAVE TO TRY and bring the best available to the club.. cos thats all we have left...l

I reckon Murph would play for us if its possible..
Kosi will need to be paid the big bucks and StKilda are floundering with it...
We can do this because at the moment we are in the position to do it...

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Quiet right Synbad, talk is cheap and you seem to a lot of it.

Sorry can't indulge you in your little game today, have to dash off and have someone committed.

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Frank, I suppose the argument goes along the lines of what would you rather - pick #1 (Cooney) or pick #2 (Walker).

To be quite honest Walker has not come on..............just yet!

Uh huh BM.. lets win it for Blue Mark.....

The intellectual analysist...

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Just to get this back on track.

'The team who loses this match has the opportunity to win Grand Finals within 7-10 years' Okay so we are saying we need the P.P. I understand and yes our talent pool is low and we need elite players. So far nothing to wrong.



'the winner of this match will not be in contention in the next generation.'
Think that line got my goat up. So unless we lose we are doomed. Final, that's it, solong thanks for all the shit! Hmmm. Now really. So its last and 7 years or we end up generationally stuffed! Now no one is arguing last is not better than second last but generationally! Gee that's a big big call on this kid and on all the other kids in this year's draft!


'Such is the talent, quality and leadership of Marc Murphy. He could be our Michael Voss. It's a big call and a lot of weight to put on a young player, but ask a club recruiter and I doubt any could dismiss such a suggestion outright.' No prob with this and I'd love a Voss.

'However, if we finish with the wooden spoon and Murphy goes to Brisbane under the Father/Son rule, it will be a wooden spoon with no silver lining.' So that's it. No silver lining. No talent? No players to recruit? No one. Zip. Zilth. A flatline to nowhere? Come on. This is what people reacted to the absolute crap of statoing it is this kid or nothing. Do you belive that Sybnad. if we do not get Murohy this year do you think that is it. A genberation gone. no hope. No silver lining in gaining 2 early picks and the fabulous PSD?

You see this statement smacks of all the emotive crap that gets tossed at the other side. How is this clear thinking? Logial even? 1 player or nothing? Come on! Sorry, he may be a great player, he may be a Voss, a Sticks, a Carey. No one doubts it. But the only is the draft? That's it? Him or zero?

Nope. Sorry. Not for a moment.

if we do not get murph it gets harder to pick the next but hey, thats their job and I would expect carlton with two picks in the top for to get it right!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

and there it is people - fully proving my point.

but should i or shouldnt i play your game.

how about this.

i know you are - what am i?

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thats exactly how i and im sure many many supporters feel.

I want us to win every game every week ever, but of course thats not going to happen. Synbad and those with his school of though are correct in say that getting the best access to the draft pool is the best way for us to hopefully get to flag 17, but it does not guarantee anything.

And to say that Murphy is a guarantee is utter bullshit.
How's goddard faired latley? Good to see Fraser winning the pies all those flags.

even pick 1 is a gamble guys, remember that. there are no guarantees with the draft, but with the best picks your planying the percentages better.

What Synbad doesn't see to understand, that other people like myself dont ever want to see the club come last, or tank games or not go out to win everyweek, even if that lowers our chances of sucess in the future.

Ok just as long as i know some of our supporters are happy with being second last for a long long time.. every now and again third last...

Oh we have certainly come along way havent we??

Bet you wished with this list of players we won......????... say 10 again????
. but a % of 70% odd.....

Excellent!!!!!

I know????Youre going to say you wish we won the GF.....!!!!!

Bit haRd with our list though do you think????

So nomans land is good enough for you.
Shit enough to be unsuccesful.. but not quite there to take advantage of the best young talent and uncontracted talent in the land.....\


I see......

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Goddard looked shocking at times aginst Richmond. He's the Saints version of Whitnal at the moment. Football-Brain, Ugly-Head, prone to frustration and flab.

the biggest flaw in your argument Synbad is this.

for your plan to work you assume to much.

there is to many if's and but's for it to be a plausible route to take.

we finish last get 1st and 3rd pick.

we get Murphy and Hurn and get Kosi in the PSD - a successful trade period you would suggest.

Come the first game of the season - 15mins in Murphy is having a blinder and we are thinking the world is rosy, then it happens.

Murphy goes down with a massive broken leg and never plays the game again. next quarter Kosi does his hamstring and is in and out for the rest of the year and has continous troubles with his hammie for the rest of the career whilst we are still paying him 500k a season. Then Hurn goes down in the last quarter with another career ending injury.

So in the space of 1 game we have lost our draft picks and our PSD player - are we to tank for the rest of the season so we can go through the same process next year.

You see - you have built these kids up to much and we dont know what any of them can do. I hope that scenario never happens ever to anyone, but you cant tell what is going to happen with these supposed messiahs of yours.

Trying to lose on the notion that losing will help us win is a flower joke. Getting draft picks doesnt mean shit. Winning every possible game is all that matters.

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Can't wait for Saturday afternoon. The game will be over and we'll either be 1.5 games on bottom, or halfa clear on 15th .

One way or the other that should be the way the ladder stays and we can all come to grips with it.

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Not planning too much Prez.. just using the thing in my head.
You get rid of the dead wood... (Kouta Campo Lance and if Lappin or Stevens want to go they can go)... you wont win too many games.. but youll save 2 million dollars... with that two million dollars you look at players who you want at the club....
You come last you get 2 picks you get an uncontracted player...and after a couple of years your young players mature.. stabilised by good players you bring in and you are ramping.

But the coach, board and supporters must brace themseves for a roicky 3 years....

Unlike the rocky 3 years we currently are experiencing with players who dont believe and pick number 9 .....


You just have to bite the bullet and it will happen....!!

You can draft for players with talent and leadership if you have early picks.

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no - we still play Collingwood and Essendon*

and i want to beat them as well - that will give us 5 1/2 so we wouldnt even get a priority

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And Prez.. having any sort of plan is better than no plan but alot of praying.....

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I don't think people are as desperate for us to beat the Hawks as you are to lose to them.

It is definitely a fine line I'll admit to that. But the paradox of losing to win is just daft.

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My opinion is that the 1st pick in the PSD should carry more importance for us than first pick in the national draft.

If we play our cards right we may be able to coerce a reasonable to very good player to come to Carlton FOR NOTHING.

Of course i'm eyeballing Kosi, Michael and Power.

(Not Cam Mooney).

Again, nice in theory, but not too many genuine stars have left their old clubs out to dry in the past, and while it would be nice if we could benefit from that, I'm not expecting another player of Stevens' reputation to fall in our lap simply becasue we may have #1 in the PSD. As it was were just lucky the Dogs buggered it up else we would have missed Stevens too.

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I think a few players have made there clubs do deals they really did not want to do though. Hamill, McPharlin, Nathan Brown, Simmonds, Headland come to mind.

Furry muff.

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