Jacobs and Joseph for me.

Number 1 ruckman and Number 1 tagger based on pre-season form.

Will be an interesting discussion at the MC meetings next week. 4-5 have legit claims to a spot.

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For me its Pfieffer and Gartlett.

I believe Pfieffer has promised one spot and has improved significantly over the pre season. Forgotten because of injury during the NAB Cup but still the best of the rookies at this stage.

Garlett because we need more forward options and he has that X factor. Even if he plays only 5-6 games it will be great for his development.

The others have cases. Bentley has been pretty good and is a good back up midfielder. May be a chance it we get a LTI to a mid.

Jacobs has been good and will be close. If we take a real cautious approach to Warnock, put him on the LTI and promote Sauce.

Ellard and Joseph will be close but not yet.

The big thing for me is that these guys need to keep playing well for the Ants and pushing for spots. Last year no one really stood out week in week out.

For my way of thinking it is terrific that we can have this debate about our Rookies.

And its says a lot for our improved Development Program & Coaching Staff.

For too long during Pagan's reign - we had Rookies and those on the Senior List who were not on Pagan's radar, languishing or forgotten in the Bullants or even in the Bullants Reserves with no guidance, direction or incentive.

Players such as Joseph with electrifying speed would find it very difficult to utilize this on substandard VFL grounds.

A bit of an incentive, encouragement and some exposure in front of a crowd at Etihad Stadium and you have an altogether different scenario.

Would love to see Garlett, Joseph and Jacobs as our nominated rookies this year.

Its still not clear whether Pfeiffer has been promised one of these spots - if so then it will probably be Jacobs if Warnock is still half a season away.

Garlett and Joseph will probably be fighting for the 3rd spot come Round 12 - I am not that familiar with the Long Term Injury rules but if we do have one (hope we dont) can we nominate another Rookie as well as the 3rd one we plan to come Round 12????

But the good news story is that we have an embarrasment of riches with our Rookies instead of riches of embarrasment.

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Garlett and Joseph offer far more value than Pfeiffer.
Garlett offers excellent defensive pressure and pace around goals whilst Joseph is showing great stopping ability.

Pfeiffer has shown very little in his chances to date. Same with Bentley. Hard worker but lacks the polish and class required.

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If Yarran can perform as we expect... and the way Betts is going about his footy, I believe we can go for 11 rounds without the need for Garlett... however may play an important role to the end of the year.

Jacobs has been our best performing ruckman... and as people have mentioned, we seem to finally have a presence in the ruck... I think he can even play round 1 as our number 1 ruckman. Start kreuze on the bench and play Hammo in the ants.

Joseph is what i believe we're missing more than anyone... a legit tagger that can shut down the small/medium mids. I mean he has degraded the normally electrifying and errorless games of Harvey, Rioli and Ablett... probably the hardest 3 to keep up with. Those three players are the type that spark up a team whether it is to kick on ahead or to begin a revival... If joseph can do a job on those players... and ratts is willing to play him on those players... i think he is almost a shoe-in for selection and again another player that might be in the side for round 1 to maybe play on a cousins/lids/foley or even a nathan brown.

The only other player on our list that can really do a tagging job is Bannister, and i don't know what his progress is.

I honesly can't believe we are debating rookies... when a couple of years ago we were promoting an 17 year old that hasn't played a senior game into the leadership group.

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habib, would you put AJ on Cousins come round 1?

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why not... if he loses out... he will only learn. He has the pace, the strength and as we saw against ablett, is hard to break...

I noticed that unlike other "taggers", when Ablett was in the centre bounce, AJ was opposite side of him and not next to him hanging on like other taggers do. I thought that was flirting with danger... but it almost seemed like his job was to allow his man to get it... but not to release it... or if he does release it, to be pressured and turned into a clanger... I know cuz is a different type and bigger than the other players he's played against... but as you saw against bigger bodies like Rooke, he isn't afraid to go into them hard...

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Which two are eligible for the NRS?

I think promoting Jacobs would be a waste of a spot. If we find that we can't pick at least two of Warnock, Kruezer, Cloke, Hampson, o'hAilpin for any game, then start to think about going to the bull pen (ooooooh just wait til that catches on in the media as the term for promoting rookies).

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Jacobs and Garlett for me.

I'm in no rush to elevate them though. I want players to earn there spot in the team and even though they've been good in the pre season I'm not sure if I'd have them in my best 22.

Robinson I would play against Richmond. Not sure if I'd play Yarran.

jacobs and gartlett for me.
not to sure what pfeiffer has done to earn a spot as yet, iam also not to sure what position he would play? jacobs into the ruck and gartlett down forward simple. joseph maybe a little stiff.

Garlett & Joseph for me.

Garlett is a must, creates excitement and pressure in the forward line. Can change a game.

Jacobs is ok, but will stuggle in the AFL against athletic ruckmen. He is too slow and lumbering. Imagine him against Cox or Hille. Not a chance. Tough, but not athletic enough. We already have Warnock, Hammo and Kruezer. I think it would be a waste to promote him sorry to say.

Jacobs because he gives us a presence in the ruck

Joseph because he gives us a really good tagger. He also can go forward and kick a goal

Gartlett is going to be good but isnt physically ready for AFL

We have Yarram and Betts already

Ellard hasnt done enough
Pfeiffer may get the nod as some have sugggested. I personally reckon jacobs and Joseph have gone past him with the needs of the senior team needing to be addressed.

Hill needs another year to develop

Bentley has a crack but may be short of class

I remember hearing from the commentators during one of our pre-season games that according to the rules if Jacobs wasnt promoted this yr...he's gone. Is this true?

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Jacobs and Joseph get my vote

yes... but it doesnt have to be now or mid year... but by the end of the year... the maximum a player can stay on a club's rookie list, is 3 years

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Garlett & Joseph

Garlett is ready
and @#$%&! we need a tagger.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Even if you re-rookie him? I'd assumed that rule applied in a single stint on the list; Jacobs has been delisted and re-rookied.

It's a real dilema, if we promised pfeiffer a spot so that we could get an extra pick in the draft, then we need to honor that agreement. I don't see why everyone in so against Pfeiffer anyway, he was our best rookie last year and I would expect that he would have made the same progress that the rest on the group has made over the preseason.

garlett is an exciting prospect, but we have ony seen him in the practice matches, I don't think that he is ready for the rigours on AFL just yet.

Joseph has done his chances no wrong during the NAB cup and certainly looks the tagger we need, however even a tagger needs to make some impact ikn the game and this is where he needs to work on next.

Ellard, Hill and Bentley are behind the others in the pecking order for me, doesn't mean that they won't make it, just that they will be used for depth should we get a LTI on one of our seniors.

Jacobs is the in for me, as I don't think Warnock will be ready before the mid season break considering the amount of pre season and footy he has missed. Even if Warnock is fit to play by round 6 or so, I think that he will need another 4 week in the magoos before he will be better than Jacobs anyway.

You can take it as a done deal. Pfieffer will be one nominated rookie. The other one is still up in the air. Apparently between Garlett and Jacobs. Discussion still going about having another ruckman ready to go if needed. Hampson still a long term project.

I thought the rules were:
Maximum stint for a local rookie before requiring delisting or elevation - 2 years
Maximum stint for an international rookie before requiring delisting or elevation - 3 years
Minimum contract length for an interstate player rookied - 2 years (i.e. if they are sacked after one year, they need to be paid out)

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