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Which two players should be promoted as a Nominated Rookie?
Ellard 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Joseph 21%  21%  [ 64 ]
Gartlett 35%  35%  [ 105 ]
Stanton 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Bentley 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Pfeiffer 5%  5%  [ 15 ]
Hill 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
Jacobs 37%  37%  [ 113 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:57 am 
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I think we should just shoot Pfeiffer. He's mucking up the whole set up. Nothing but a trouble maker.

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Youngsters won belief in ability: Ratten

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Ratten revealed that two rookie-listed players are likely to be 'nominated' for senior selection before the start of the home and away season.

Jeff Garlett, Greg Bentley, Aaron Joseph and Sam Jacobs are the front-runners given the amount of action they have seen in the pre-season competition.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:37 pm 
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Carlton looks to promote rookies

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CARLTON looks set to reward rookie ruckman Sam Jacobs for his impressive pre-season form by elevating him to the senior list by tomorrow week's cut-off date. Clubs without two veterans can select a "nominated" rookie, which makes them available to play senior football all year.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:50 pm 
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no word on Pfieffer... where did that info come up on the promised position for Pfieffe?

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 Post subject: Re: Nominated Rookies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:41 am 
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Pickering said that Pfieffer has been promised a spot and he is usually pretty accurate.

Jacobs has been good but I don't see the point in promoting him yet. We have Hampson & Kruezer to do the ruckwork. If Warnock is struggling put him on the LTI then promote Jacobs.

Bentley has been good and so has Garlett and Joseph.

For me I would go Pfieffer and Garlett. There is no guarantee they will play anyway but it adds to the pressure for spots.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:24 am 
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Jacobs is a must . Our best ruckman by a mile this pre-season .

Kreuser is a good second string . Hampson still has to grasp the basics , such as holding his marks . Junior footballers can hold overhead marks . Hopefully Ratts & co. are working overtime on this problem .

Warnock is still a while away yet , and still an unknown quantity as far as we are concerned . Jacobs may well be better than him anyway . And Hampson , if he can get his marking right .

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:12 am 
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We've got to get Jacobs now...

I just picked him for my dream team at $75,000!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:55 am 
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The rookie situation is symptematic of the club becomming more professional in the way they recruit, develop and promote. I can't believe that the club would promise a recruit anything about promotion. They could possibly say if your form warrants it there is a place for you but that falls well short of a garanteed place.

Needs to be Jacobs and Joseph for mine. Garlett in round 12. Jacobs because of his pre season form and development in the role. Joseph because he adds pace and a tagging option that puts pressure on Bentick, Bannister and the other taging options. His role in the 4 games so far ( 2 intra and 2 Nab) has been excellent

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:18 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
The rookie situation is symptematic of the club becomming more professional in the way they recruit, develop and promote. I can't believe that the club would promise a recruit anything about promotion. They could possibly say if your form warrants it there is a place for you but that falls well short of a garanteed place.

Needs to be Jacobs and Joseph for mine. Garlett in round 12. Jacobs because of his pre season form and development in the role. Joseph because he adds pace and a tagging option that puts pressure on Bentick, Bannister and the other taging options. His role in the 4 games so far ( 2 intra and 2 Nab) has been excellent


The only thing that makes me think Pfieffer may get one spot is that last year Pickering said that Carlton had guaranteed Pfieffer they would redraft him and then give him one of the nominated rookie spots. To this point he has been pretty spot on.
I have watched Pfieffers pre season and he along with Ellard & Robinson has been the standout in an excellent pre season for everyone.

I believe that if Pfieffer had played in the NAB Cup we wouldn't even be doubting his spot. His improvement from last year has been as good as anyone and he may be about to live up to his potential.

Its good though that effectively 4 or 5 rookies are genuinally fighting for these spots. Congrats must once again go to the recruiting and the development departments. What a change has come over this club in the past 2 years! :smoking:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:33 am 
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baz_baz wrote:

I believe that if Pfieffer had played in the NAB Cup we wouldn't even be doubting his spot. His improvement from last year has been as good as anyone and he may be about to live up to his potential.



Pfeiffer was very good in the Bullants game on Friday. Seems to have gained a yard of pace and looks to have a better body shape than last year.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:42 am 
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So has Pfieffer been injured?

If he played in the Bullies why didn't he play in the Geelong game

Surely if he was fit and as some would believe promised a spot, surely they would have played him or am I off on the wrong tangent?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:53 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
So has Pfieffer been injured?

If he played in the Bullies why didn't he play in the Geelong game

Surely if he was fit and as some would believe promised a spot, surely they would have played him or am I off on the wrong tangent?


Wrong tangent! He had a minor leg injury and missed about 2-3 weeks of full training. Last weekend was his first game back so the Ratts obviously decided to run him in the Ants. Up until the injury he hadn't missed a beat.

I remember watching a pretty solid training session in late January with Dr Sherrin and we were both impressed with him. He didn't stop running and his disposal was first class. People who haven't seen him since last year will be happy with his improvement.

I would expect he will play in Bunbury this week and may get a run the weekend before round 1.


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baz_baz wrote:
So has Pfieffer been injured?

If he played in the Bullies why didn't he play in the Geelong game

Surely if he was fit and as some would believe promised a spot, surely they would have played him or am I off on the wrong tangent?


He had good company with Andrew Walker running around dominating the game.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:47 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
cj69 wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
So has Pfieffer been injured?

If he played in the Bullies why didn't he play in the Geelong game

Surely if he was fit and as some would believe promised a spot, surely they would have played him or am I off on the wrong tangent?


Wrong tangent! He had a minor leg injury and missed about 2-3 weeks of full training. Last weekend was his first game back so the Ratts obviously decided to run him in the Ants. Up until the injury he hadn't missed a beat.

I remember watching a pretty solid training session in late January with Dr Sherrin and we were both impressed with him. He didn't stop running and his disposal was first class. People who haven't seen him since last year will be happy with his improvement.

I would expect he will play in Bunbury this week and may get a run the weekend before round 1.


I was at the Jan 5th training which was the first after the xmas break. IMO I remember noting that Pfieffer didn't really bring anything to the table that we didn't already have. His preformance in the 3.2 trail wasnt exceptional either. When coupled with the few games I saw him play last year, I feel he doesn't give us anything extra which is needed for the next level if improvement we need. Just my opinion of course. Wish the lad well though.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:06 pm 
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Not a bad problem to have when you can make a case for Joseph, Jacobs, Pfeiffer or Garlett to be promoted. Hill looked promising in his short stint on Sat night too, so the rookie list looks pretty good.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Garlett and Jacobs for mine.

Purely because they offer the side something no one else can provide. Jacobs is a geuine ruck. Garlett offers exceptional defensive pressure in the F50 and in combination with Eddie the opposition don't know where to look and we look a much more dangerous fwd line setup.

Joseph was awesome against Ablett but just misses out. You certainly could mount a strong case for him though.

Pfeiffer, I like as a player but there are others that can play his role. I think he just needs to bide his time and prove he's hungry enough and another opportunity will come along.

Bentley, again others on the list that offer what he does. Can find the ball but not quite as much an offensive weapon as he needs to be to jump the queue.

Great problem to actually have this is. As others have said well done to the recruiters and coaching staff.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:32 pm 
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I'd give it to Garlett & Jacobs.

AJ, Bentley & Pfeiffer not far off the pace, and ahead of Ellard and Hill.

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Blueboy wrote:
Garlett and Jacobs for mine.

Purely because they offer the side something no one else can provide. Jacobs is a geuine ruck. Garlett offers exceptional defensive pressure in the F50 and in combination with Eddie the opposition don't know where to look and we look a much more dangerous fwd line setup.

Joseph was awesome against Ablett but just misses out. You certainly could mount a strong case for him though.

Pfeiffer, I like as a player but there are others that can play his role. I think he just needs to bide his time and prove he's hungry enough and another opportunity will come along.

Bentley, again others on the list that offer what he does. Can find the ball but not quite as much an offensive weapon as he needs to be to jump the queue.

Great problem to actually have this is. As others have said well done to the recruiters and coaching staff.


I agree with all that.

Does anyone know how AB is going? If he needs to go onto the LTI list, Bentley's chances improve...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:12 pm 
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Garlett and Joseph for mine... can we get a poll going?

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Scrap the rookie and veteran lists and have a team list of 46, with a minimum of 8 selections in the draft each season. I think teams will still draft those players that would have otherwise gone in the rookie draft, rather than topping up with established players...and if they don't, it would be nice to see some players get a second chance.

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