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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:07 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:
Jones very unlucky in those rankings, has done very very well in a super crap team.

1000-1 odds for the brownlow are tempting given he is the prototype brownlow winning player for one of the 16 AFL teams.


Who does he replace in the top 6 and why. Maybe Ellis but he came off a broken ankle to force his way into a Premiership team and do very well in the Finals.

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:11 pm 
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It is funny to observe how someone who has not played 5 senior games can be lauded as a superstar without any censure on TC.

Yet someone who has not played 5 senior games cannot be criticized without a massive amount of censure.

Not saying the imbalance is necessarily wrong but can we hold off on the messiah complex on some of these young player as well as holding off on the judas complex on some under 50 games.

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:14 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
I'd have Shaun Higgins ahead of Nathan Jones for the future because he can kick.

Only Murphy has his disposal questioned by the media and supporters. :banghead:

The Demons manchild came into the game with a great fitness base and stepped up to AFL straight away.

Higgins has more upside if he can get over his injuries...

Higgins looked sharp and poised in the middle with 22 touches against the Bombers.


It's based on what they have done not what they might or could do. Jones in a crap side has done more than enough but not as much as those above and those that made a Premiership team.

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I'd have him in third position.

I think he has been brilliant in a very poor team and a very poor development environment. I will back him to be the long term number three as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:44 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
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I was messing around after reading Franks post. I have taken the 2006 draft and assessed how the selections have performed after 2 full seasons. Not alot of time but I guess enough for those seeking instant gratification, and there are plenty of those here on TC :razz:

Plenty have had serious injuries that have really halted there careers. I think the biggest disappointment has probably been Hansen and he looked out of sorts again on Saturday night. The really big guys like Leuy and Hampson will obviously take longer for the roles they play. The top 6 have performed very well and their good form and few injuries have given them regular game time.

As we all know Grigga certainly deserves to be right up there and that was a great selection from WH.

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In assessing Gibbs, it is also important to remember how young he was when drafted. Birth date of 15/3/89, compared with others in the same draft, J Selwood 26/5/88 (10 months older), S Grigg 19/4/88 (11 months older), S Hampson 21/3/88 (nearly a year older).

Also worth noting that Gibbs is only 2 months older than Kruezer.

As you can probably gather, I think Gibbs is fantastic and really happy with how grigg is progressing.

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:46 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:
It is funny to observe how someone who has not played 5 senior games can be lauded as a superstar without any censure on TC.

Yet someone who has not played 5 senior games cannot be criticized without a massive amount of censure.

Not saying the imbalance is necessarily wrong but can we hold off on the messiah complex on some of these young player as well as holding off on the judas complex on some under 50 games.


What he said.....................which worries me no end :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:10 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:

Not saying the imbalance is necessarily wrong but can we hold off on the messiah complex on some of these young player as well as holding off on the judas complex on some under 50 games.


Its been discovered that Judas had is own Gospel and might have been one of the good guys, SO................



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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:22 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Plethora of first round picks - particularly gibbs kreuz murphy running around but real quality picked up in the last few years with 2nd and in a way picking first round picks is relatively easy particularly when you get first pick -the second and third much more difficult

Grigg who I thought was sensational last night bower who keeps getting better and Robinson is likely to follow in footsteps of the other two -hopefully hampson will be another of those


Agree....its one thing getting decent picks and another using them properly and you have to give credit where its due and Wayne Hughes and crew have been successful in rebuilding the list which is the task they were set.
I have been impressed with the character of the kids he has recruited and not only can they play but they are a credit to the club off the field...

re: Grigg...WH copped some flak over Griggs recruiting but he hasnt let anyone down and is improving with each game, gives us some attitude on the field and doesnt mind sticking up for his teammates either and we need those qualities to be a good team...

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:31 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
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I was messing around after reading Franks post. I have taken the 2006 draft and assessed how the selections have performed after 2 full seasons. Not alot of time but I guess enough for those seeking instant gratification, and there are plenty of those here on TC :razz:

Plenty have had serious injuries that have really halted there careers. I think the biggest disappointment has probably been Hansen and he looked out of sorts again on Saturday night. The really big guys like Leuy and Hampson will obviously take longer for the roles they play. The top 6 have performed very well and their good form and few injuries have given them regular game time.

As we all know Grigga certainly deserves to be right up there and that was a great selection from WH.

Regards Cazzesman


You could probably add Leuenberger to the names with injury next to them Cazzesman. He has had OP, knee problems and a number of niggles.

That list makes an interesting read, we have done pretty well :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:08 pm 
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Astute recruiting is one important part, and kudos to WH's fellas, but this is the other part, and watching it reminds me how vital it is and how much the club suffered before it was implmented last year. JR's development is a case in point IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:48 pm 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Plethora of first round picks - particularly gibbs kreuz murphy running around but real quality picked up in the last few years with 2nd and in a way picking first round picks is relatively easy particularly when you get first pick -the second and third much more difficult

Grigg who I thought was sensational last night bower who keeps getting better and Robinson is likely to follow in footsteps of the other two -hopefully hampson will be another of those


Agree....its one thing getting decent picks and another using them properly and you have to give credit where its due and Wayne Hughes and crew have been successful in rebuilding the list which is the task they were set.
I have been impressed with the character of the kids he has recruited and not only can they play but they are a credit to the club off the field...

re: Grigg...WH copped some flak over Griggs recruiting but he hasnt let anyone down and is improving with each game, gives us some attitude on the field and doesnt mind sticking up for his teammates either and we need those qualities to be a good team...



Griggas an interesting one....I would love to know what WH saw in him pre-draft....in other words did he just see 190cm, athletic and skillful and his eyes lit up, or did he see some mongrel and discipline and scope for improvement that some others of us didn't see.


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 Post subject: Re: Astute recruiting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:57 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Plethora of first round picks - particularly gibbs kreuz murphy running around but real quality picked up in the last few years with 2nd and in a way picking first round picks is relatively easy particularly when you get first pick -the second and third much more difficult

Grigg who I thought was sensational last night bower who keeps getting better and Robinson is likely to follow in footsteps of the other two -hopefully hampson will be another of those


Agree....its one thing getting decent picks and another using them properly and you have to give credit where its due and Wayne Hughes and crew have been successful in rebuilding the list which is the task they were set.
I have been impressed with the character of the kids he has recruited and not only can they play but they are a credit to the club off the field...

re: Grigg...WH copped some flak over Griggs recruiting but he hasnt let anyone down and is improving with each game, gives us some attitude on the field and doesnt mind sticking up for his teammates either and we need those qualities to be a good team...



Griggas an interesting one....I would love to know what WH saw in him pre-draft....in other words did he just see 190cm, athletic and skillful and his eyes lit up, or did he see some mongrel and discipline and scope for improvement that some others of us didn't see.


I didn't see him in TAC or anything, but if I recall correctly, the knock on him was that he was very "outside" and "uncontested". If so, he has certainly developed confidence in his ability to exert physicality since being drafted!


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