on what I saw today - cant see how just by getting picks 1 and 3 instead of 2 and 4 that hawthorn will be light years ahead of us - unlike others I dont reckon the hawthorn youngsters are better than ours - we beat them without fevola earlier in the year and whilst hodge won 38 possessions playing without a man - our young player waite was the reason we won the game - what is the presses and other peoples fixation with how well hawthorn have done this year - they have won half a game more than us and by next weekend they will have won half a game less
Hawthorn wont want to win brereton all year on sen has been talking about priority picks - that bloke with a brain of a gnat on the show crawford last week was suggesting they were doing it -
Thet had option for bateman - probably leading their best and fairest- to ontinue playing but opted to have the operation
Perhaps Im biased but why are their players and in particular their young players so superior to ours - both lists need an injection of talent no doubt - just dont get why they are heading in the right direction and we are considered not to be

Thats a good question why people thinks its good for the Hawks but not for us but let them think that way Frank... on the difference of picks 1+3 vs picks 2 + 4 but it will be good for us and i think we can do something similar to the Tigers in 2006 if all the pieces in the puizzle fall into place that is prob why in some ways we have a better list than the Dorks but also a much better coach.
Well you mentioned Hodge who i think is a class above most of the Hawk players well Murphy is of the same calibre or close to so i want that calibre person at the Blues. i Want to see success sooner than later and having a good crack at the draft and hopefully picking up a good pickup in the PSD will help us enormously.

Another reason we need to finish last if WHits is unsigned and Hawks are last whats stopping Whits gooing to the Hawks for nothing especially as they desperately need a tall forward or key forward to compliment Williams. Just another reason why we have to finish below the Dorks

If Murphy is a big North and Pagan fan and we have pick 1 and tell him we want to take him first then that must give us a good chance of convincing him to stay.
Hawks might go for Dowler or someone (who knows with them?) and then we can get Ellis as well.
Pick 1 in the PSD has surely got to be a good bargaining tool for the club.
I dont mind if we finish last as long as the club plays like it did today with the best players being the youngsters. As long as the VFL side keeps winning on top of that.

Number 1 pick is Murphy.
Also the loser gets best uncontracted player.
Theres alot at stake.
I disagree frank.. were not a 5 goal better side than Hawthorn on todays performance.
Freo were shit. they were not ruthless with us.

We will lose next week.
Our boys have a few more games to endure before they can re group next year.

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Most of you are absolutely disgraceful, I knew that there would be a thread like this but it's still pretty amazing to comprehend.

As if the future of this club rests on one bloke! Fair Dinkum! What a load of bullshit, I don't care how good he is, this club will be successful again whether or not we get Marc Murphy.

I hope that anyone wanting us to lose this game, or tank the season or whatever, doesn't still go to the footy. I hope that none of you go on Saturday because frankly you're all disgraceful and before the usual crap is sprouted about who is a better supporter than who, well yes those who want us to lose any matches of footy in my opinion can not call themselves true supporters. It's completely against the ethos of being a supporter.

You know what I want us to win even more now, in fact every goal that we beat Hawthorn by will make me even happier not only because we'd be winning a game after all this time but out of spite to you lot on here. Bloody hell guys we're not going to win more than 3 games anyway out of the last 6, it looks odds on that the priority pick is ours, and you know what, if we don't get it, we'll @#$%&! move on you know! The club is bigger than a bloody priority pick! And what's the difference between picks 2 and 4 as opposed to 1 and 3 in the draft assuming Hawthorn and Carlton both get priority picks regardless of the weekend's result? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. IF WE CAN'T GET TOP LINE TALENT WITH PICKS 2 AND 4 then the recruiting team and the club and whoever else has FAILED.

It's almost quite funny, people thinking that the future rests on an 18 year old or two hahahahah bloody hell imagine being Marc Murphy and hearing about that! You've got to be joking fellas. The sentiment in this thread is completely disgraceful and hopefully those advocating losing matches of footy don't actually go to the games. Nobody can stop you from having an opinion but you don't deserve to go to the footy with an attitude like that. I'll be there and hoping we win and then win the next week and the week after etc etc. Hopefully the Blues will stick it up the lot of ya

CARNA BLUES!

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The chance to snare Kosi. #1 pick in the Draft.

Today I broke my 3-year streak in going to every Melbourne based game, but next week I'll be going to the game as a neutral.

If we win...meh! If we lose...Hey! Hey!

That's just it, the Blues win 3 more games and it will stick it up the lot of us, it's the difference between two top 5 picks or one top 5 pick.
I hate losing as much as the next person, I wanted us to win today, and I'll watch the game next week wanting us to win. I can see the upside to losing though and the prospect of two high picks dulls the pain a little.

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This thread and supporter attitude is not a reflection on Carlton supporters but the flaws of the AFL system. Marc Murphy is the standout, ask any recruiter it's pick 1 if he decides to stay in Melbourne then a class gap to the next best player. He was captain of the victorious Vic Metro and if you consult your history books you'll find his father won six VFL club best and fairests. As Synbad pointed out the PSD is also another benefit of last place. If it was 2006 I wouldn't want to finish last because there's probably six players who are of A-grade quality but that's not the case this year. I hope Murphy laughs at this thread if he cared to read it, because if he comes to the club he should be afforded the same 3- 5 years any youngster should get to find his feet, look at Simmo's last two games.

You're attitude to winning is fantastic Blues 2005, and I have the same attitude to winning except it's projected towards the future not the present. Maybe I should change my name on TC from 79Vintage to
Blues2012-2015.

CARNA the Blues

Dont discount Hawthorn.
They have a lot more "fit" talent running around than us.
If Longmuir dominated us, imagine what Spider will do.

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lets put eddie betts on mark williams.....

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but on a serious note, i heard commentators of yesterdays game say that the teams who have flogged hawthorn had successfully shutdown mark williams by filling the hole infront of him with a good defender...so lets just leave the hole open....easy as pie...

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Sorry guys but finishing 15th still gives us two draft picks in the top 5 and no wooden spoon. Need more than Mark Murphy to be a chance of winning the flag in the next 7-10 years.

We must win to eliminate the satisfaction of the scum, filth, timber factory, ferals and down hill skiers.

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so now we are saying there is only 1 player and the rest are duds and we must lose to snare this one player and the rest are duds and two picks aren't enough we need this 1 player and the rest are duds and without this 1 player we are damned for a generation and we must finish last to get this 1 players. this once in a generation playerthat we must have and we must come last to get this 1 player oh


and this player may not even be available

but hell

lose anyway.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The thing is they're right that we would be far far better off finishing last, but like you I hate seeing us as supporters willing our team to lose, shits me no end...even knowing the fact they're right and we would be better to lose.

Thats the way football is now

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It's how it is these days and how it will be until they get rid of the priority pick.

No one wants to lose, but if it gets us a shot at Murphy, then so be it.
He won't fix our problems over night, but he will add more quality to our list along with whoever else we pick up.

Blues2005, you can go along to the football, support the team all you like, get your 3 or 4 other wins and see us make a cluster @#$%&! of the whole situation and miss out on genuine talent.

Me on the otherhand, I'll take short term pain for long term gain.

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This isn't about the Priority Pick though. Not winning more than 5 games is about the PP. If they scrapped the PP before the end of this year we're still going to want to finish bottom to get Murphy.

This problem will always be a problem while we work in reverse ladder order to decide the order of drafting.

That doesn't mean I'm suggesting we use any other system, just pointing out this attitude isn't going to change after this season. We'll still want to finish 16th in the same situation next season to get Selwood.

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50/50 chance to win this game...Fev only has to perform and we can win this game..unlike Freo who had Pavlich..the Hawks dont have a superstar forward and even without Thornton I think we can contain them.
It will be Everitt, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford that will need to be stopped...

Frank...I think last years draft has them slightly ahead....Jordan Lewis had plenty of the footy on the weekend and Roughead did well at CHB on some fair sized players....you add Hodge and Franklin and I think they have a good basis for a team but need to add two more decent drafts worth of players..
Frank..re: Trent Sporn vs Daniel Harris....Harris had the lazy 30 possies and nine clearances for a BOG ...care to make a call on that selection bungle...

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With the rules as they are we must take the best opportunity to improve our list. Picks 1 & 3 in the ND and pick 1 in the PSD will give us the best available talent. As long as I see our young players keep improving this year thats enough for me.
The spoon will give us the best opportunity to improve quicker.

I'm with you brother.

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so now we are saying there is only 1 player and the rest are duds and we must lose to snare this one player and the rest are duds and two picks aren't enough we need this 1 player and the rest are duds and without this 1 player we are damned for a generation and we must finish last to get this 1 players. this once in a generation playerthat we must have and we must come last to get this 1 player oh


and this player may not even be available

but hell

lose anyway.

dannyboy
best post of all time amongst a lot of rubbish