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You should know better than to have a go at News Ltd, you know DUC gets all defensive when that happens.

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No mention of Robinson's debut after the media's circle jerk over Cousins' comeback against VFL players.

Ah, no, one might want to check their facts, he was wronb, the club did make the announcment, but not straight after the incident. They waited for about 5 hours before making a official statement.

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Left at half time thinking the game was over. but having veiwed it on video it looked like the two were wrestling with Cloke the instigator in clenching Setanta's arms in his embrace. Setanta was trying to push him away and in doing so insitinctively threw two punches with the second landing. Not sure Setanta;s eyes were on him when he landed the blow. He soon followed it with a kick in the arse. It was deliberate and more of a demonstration of anger than an attempt to cause intentional physical harm. Still a low act.

I would like to leave his fate with his team mates. If they dont want to play with him anymore then we need to cut him loose to protect the culture of the club.

I dont want to kick him whilst he is down and will support any decision the club makes on the matter.

Conundrum

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i'll have a go at what i want to have a go at

but thanks

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

You're a hard man to please today VB Yep - they waited - and it festered for 5 hours.

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Mate not trying to have a go or anything, but you clealry stated earlier in the thread you thought the Comms Mger should have released a statement straight away, and that that statement should say the player should be suspended straight away.

All I am saying is, the club would be making an error if they came out and said such things officially so quickly without invetigating what exactly went down.

And what's turned out is not what you wanted, the club's official line came out 5 hrs later, no doubt after they had spoken to Setanta and Cloke, and ascertained what exactly happened in the incident.

Club's official line came out after due consideration, which is what I think hould have happened. Not straight away when they wouldn't have had all the facts.

Why would you come out and make a big call without having done your homework? You stand to have egg on your face if you have read the landscape wrong.

Club did the right thing and it was fine for ratts to say what he said when he said it. He was non-committal, and that is what you would expect straight after the incident. Maybe if Setanta had shot someone dead that would be different.

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Anyhow good news is young guns Grigg and Robbo and Gibbs did well, and Cloke looked promising up fwd. Also good tht robbo looked good fwd as did Houla, finally we will have some good hffs and cause opp coaches some head aches.

Sadly though sounds like the club still aren't sure where Waite should play.

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Doesn't David Cloke manage the Celtic Club...where they show live sport courtesy of Setanta Sports? Bit Ironic!!

I have full confidence that the club will handle this in the appropriate manner.

A suspension, fine and some anger management counselling will be the extent of it.

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No worries VB - just a difference of opinion...I'm not a huge fan of Ian Coutts so there is bias...I'm relieved they didn't let it go beyond the time the news programs commenced...and Setanta all but shot his career goodbye today. Enough said. Will wait for the players to have their say now...

...I saw Jeff Fenech and Azzumah Nelson go hammer and tong at Princes Park in 1991 - can we have the Cloke v O'hAilpin rematch with the canvas set up in the middle - tickets on sale at the ground - I reckon we might make some extra cash!

The punch was a beauty but i reckon it wasnt that much. Both were at it and who knows what Cloke said while they were wrestling. Not saying it was right but Cloke might learn something as well. Keep your mouth shut. The kick was the thing. Terrible. If Carlos has to go so be it but I hope he doesnt as he is the best defender on the big mothers up forward.

I am more concerned with how he played. Apparently didn't do well and this may have added to his frustration. Should of cut him last year IMO!

The vision is on the Age website
http://media.theage.com.au/?rid=45906

Doesn't look good, but then again it's not that bad.
Setanta lashed out and "collected Cloke"
The kick was as suggested a "poke" rather than a kick to hurt.

I still think he's got a lot of apologising to do as both are still in the realm of unacceptible...

Who would've thought the "fookin hittin" would start with our own guys.

Santy, save it for Lloydy!

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I wonder what the reaction would have been if Carlos knocked out Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer, Walker or any of the other "more loved" players on our list ???


As I have said before, and others have too, the problem is that it was a dog act (EVERYONE I was sitting with at the time called it a dogs act, and the playing group reacted the same way) and if it was an opposition player who smacked Cloke then our whole team would be out for blood the next time they met. That cant happen as Carlos is a teammate, and no matter how much you try to pass it off as a "boys being boys" thing he will have lost the respect of the majority of his team mates.


I would imagine that he would have to get at least a 6+ game suspension from the AFL, and it wouldn't surprise me if the leadership group matched it with a 6+ suspension of their own. He would then have to gain back the respect of his team mates, and fight with other settled players who he probably would have already been behind of at the selection committee before the event ............

He has dug a hole for himself, and has noone else to blame but himself. Push and shove a team mate all you like, but walk away afterwards not smack him in the head and kick him while he's down. It's an intra club match for christs sake, and if he can't control himself in a friendly match with team mates he is probably in no fit state to be put out against opposition teams (ala Hall all over again)

I was all ready to say goodbye to Santy but having watched it...

Not a good look but who hasn't wanted to smack a Cloke in the head and kick him up the arse at some point.

Totally up to the players as far as I'm concerned. If they want him out so be it. If not, so be it.

I've never understood why a kick was so much of a "dog act" compared to a punch. If I was Cloke I would have happily lined up for the toe poke rather than the punch if I had to choose between the two. One punch can kill if the connection's right whereas I doubt that little tap with the boot was ever going to do anything more than delay Cloke's next poo by three or four minutes.

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