playing for their carrers:(doubt other clubs would trade for)
Russell (perhaps trade bait)
Hartlett
Edwards
Setanta
Anderson?

possible trade bait:
Fisher
Bentick
Carrazzo
Houlihan
Wiggins
Scotland

i've been thinking and kind of hoping for a while that we may be able to bundle say 3 or 4 good/average players to GC17 for top 10 draft pick(s)

with so many promising youngsters we may be able to cover the loss of some senior fringe players?

carrazzo and bentick could get forced out of the midfield, fisher seems to have limited scope for improvment.

Houla cash in while he still holds value? i think he could be a very handy player as we improve - but if the price was right.

scotland will have a lot of competition at half back it seems - who knows.

GC17 will need some seasoned bodies and mature heads early on

Carazzo and Scotland will play every game if they're fit in 2009 , and won't be traded . Both are in our top 10 and both will play for us until they call it quits !!!

They will continue to be mentioned in trade threads by the usual few , but it won't happen .

Get used to it !

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I think the expectation is to high for season 09. No doubt we have the talent but the oly reason i say this is that some of our boys are still to small and when we come up against seasoned teams we get found out for this. When we play the teams like the Cats, Sydney, Kangaroos, Saints, Crows even the Hawks our boys are easily out bodied at the contest. What i noticed throughout last season (08) is that when the game became free flowing and loose we got back into games or where in them as we don't yet have the core body strength

If Russel can improve 10% as well as kick those goals he misses- in other words hurt them the other way
If Walker can get on the park and play consistant footy with the occassional burst of brilliance
If Houlihan can recapture some of his goal kicking abilities that he used to have
If Hadley can get fit and stay fit (BIg IF) and take on the in and under in the middle

We will be top 4

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just because players are in out top 10 and possesion winners shouldn't make them immune to being traded.

our premiership window is soon to open and guys like scotland and carrazzo are both handy players - but when the younger guys come on they may lose their place.

carrazzo will have guys like murphy, judd, gibbo, walker, yarran, hadley, robinson etc etc to compete with similar with scoots he will have brown, armfield, johnson, o'keefe, anderson etc etc.

If we are sucessful in the next 5 years then decent draft picks will be hard to find.

with GC17 coming in, in 2010 they are going to need some decent AFL grade players who are good to go, and show leadership and experience - with there swag of picks we would be silly to not at least consider what is on offer for some of our senior players who may be on the fringe (ie bentick, fisher, houla) or those who may find game time harder to come by as the kids step up - scotland and carrazzo could very much find themselves in that second group.

if we think we can cover this guys with improving kids then it could be worth a look.

the thing i'm conscience about is that we already have a very young list and you wouldn't want to lose too much experience unless the kids can fill the experience/leadership void.

GC17 have picks 1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13 and 15 it think? or something crazy like that.

now if we said we will give up houla, carrazzo and scotland for pick 5 and 11 you'd probably have to have a good think about it.

still it's all crystal balling - GC17 may play harder ball, but carrots, houla and scots might all have great years.

hard to call but i'm atleast open to the secenairo.

Agree gez.

I'm concious of my conscience continually playing out a scenario that sees the likes of Browne Armfield Aussie etc taking on more responsibility leaving some of the older blokes as potential trade bait.

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According to Grant Thomas on SEN this morning, Carlton should make the top 4 next year!

its time for saturday lotto to deliver

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Shit, Grant Thomas....thats like the Kiss of Death. I would rather a real experts opinion like KB, Hutchie, Gary Lyon or even Jonno from Mill Park, saying we are still in the rebuilding phase and will finish bottom four; if you know what I mean.

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That statement, put succintly, is crap.

Walker is in our best 10 players. There might be a question as to whether he makes it into our best 5 one day and injury stalled him last year, but any suggestion he should/could be shipped off elsewhere is garbage.

as much as we all love wiggo, there is not a chance in hell that he would be considered trade bait. he either plays at carlton or carlton delist. no-one is going to offer a brass razoo for him. Jordan Russell on the hand would have some interest. wouldn't get a lot for him, but would have some interest.

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spot on thegezman.
players like carrazzo, scotland, fisher, houla, bannister and bentick may be on the table come draft time.
why would you not take up the offer if pick 9 and or 11 become ours for carrazzo and scotland or fisher?
defenders;
browne, armfield, bower, austin, jamison, thornton, anderson, johnson, o'keefe and waite
mids;
judd, murphy, gibbs, grigg, stevens, walker, hadley, simpson and robinson
rucks;
warnock, kreuzer, hampson and jacobs
forwards;
fevola, yarran, cloke, hartlett, betts, russell and gartlett

say pick 9 and or 11 became ours maybe we could look at one or two key forwards in the draft, all for trading a couple of players that we can cover with no worries at all.

While GC may pay slightly 'over the odds' for some experienced players when they're ready to come into the competition, I couldn't see GC accepting any of those players for pick 9 or 11. Maybe 2nd round picks, but not top 10!

Nobody gives up picks that high anymore unless its for superstars or their idiots.

Seriously Carrazo is in no danger whatsoever people.

Best Clubman – Andrew Carrazzo
Last year’s John Nicholls Medallist was voted the Best Clubman by his peers and Match Committee. Andrew also finished fourth in the John Nicholls Medal.
This Award was presented by Carlton Assistant Coach Gavin Crosisca

Under pressure? i dont think so. The club rates him highly.
Delivers on a pretty regular basis actually, gets the job done most times and is a good link up player. WILL BE AROUND IN YEARS TO COME. You dont get rid of a player who has just finished 1st and 4th in your B+F along with winning the Best Clubman award...he's also symbolic of what you can achieve if you work hard as he doesnt have the talent of some of the others but is doing so well.

I also recon we will persist with Walker and JR if they keep working hard and show improvement as they have been. Their already handy as Walker has run and flair and i love JR's evasive abilities with his customary sidesteps and shimmies and is hard at the ball and man. Both could become really, really damaging players around HF. But yes must show some improvement.

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So is David Teague the exception that proves the rule ??? hehe

And I saw Walker as EASILY in our top 5 players from the time he came back, so I don't know why people think he is in trouble ??? A full preseason and an injury free year next year and I see his inclusion s the BIGGEST difference between the two sides (2008 v 2009) inc Warnock and Johnson .....

Correct, there is no way Scott Clayton will be paying over the odds for players.

But it always makes me laugh, hard, when people on here continuously get stuck into Carazzo for some reason or another. The simple fact of the matter is that the match committee clearly rate him and what he does for this football club. He'll play 200 games in the navy blue, at least you knockers on here will be close to a prediction on him by that time

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