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kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15045

I also thought that Swann was out of line joking about his phone going off, one thing that I was surprised to hear is that the club still has a debt of $6 mill.

mjonc · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:19 pm

kezza wrote:

I also thought that Swann was out of line joking about his phone going off, one thing that I was surprised to hear is that the club still has a debt of $6 mill.

No debt was payed off this year as per the financial report, most money was put towards the football department bringing this up to standard.

2009 we need to pay the AFL loan back so we should be down towards $4.5mil debt at least. Any mention of this?

2009 we also need to raise the revenue to meet the requirements for the redevelopment costs. Any update on this?

Sounded like a good meeting to catch up on my sleep.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

The club are very happy with the money the 'Blue Believer' fund has raised so far.

Sounds like the club is going to lock the debt into a lower interest rate soon as well.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:46 pm

CK95 wrote:

Couple of extra points...

- Membership is currently 13000+. Was 12000 this time last year so tracking nicely (there's one for your equations GWS :lol:

)

- The Freo game on the Gold Coast is worth $500k to the club. We would actually lose against the gate if it were played at TD next year. To offset the match, we have the AWAY game against Essendon* as a designated Carlton game. Hawthorn had a designated match against us at TD a couple of years ago to offset one of their Tassie matches I'm pretty sure.

- Laurie Carter & Simon Wiggins life membership...just wanted to mention that again. WIGGINS

- Swanny not a fan of the white jumper & hopefully we won't be wearing it at all in season 2009. No promises though...

- Current debt is $6m. Club looking at a number of fundraising initiatives etc next year to tackle it, no specific details outlined.

- Footy Dept spending was $17m this year. Was $13m when this board took over. Club paid 97% of TPP in season 2008.

- Warnock 206cm

Overall a pretty brief meeting, but as Jars said to me they're always longer when things are going badly!

Nice to have a chat to geoff Southby & to meet you Doc Sherrin - remind me to keep an eye out for used Land Rovers in future

Thanks for the update CK!

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10613

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

Best news all night.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

We SHOULD have an alternate/away strip, IMO.

No doubt we should maintain our traditional navy blue for home games, but for marketing and member involvement in this day and age, an alternate strip should be included ala the EPL clubs.

The club should get the supporters involved in designing and ultimately choosing a new design each season via the club website.

Princes Park Whistler · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:57 pm

budzy wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

We SHOULD have an alternate/away strip, IMO.

No doubt we should maintain our traditional navy blue for home games, but for marketing and member involvement in this day and age, an alternate strip should be included ala the EPL clubs.

The club should get the supporters involved in designing and ultimately choosing a new design each season via the club website.

Good to lose the white away strip i reckon.If anything we should go back to the old style jumper circa 1995.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:16 pm

budzy wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

We SHOULD have an alternate/away strip, IMO.

No doubt we should maintain our traditional navy blue for home games, but for marketing and member involvement in this day and age, an alternate strip should be included ala the EPL clubs.

The club should get the supporters involved in designing and ultimately choosing a new design each season via the club website.

Would be good to find the Alternate guernsey thread to fill in time over the off-season.

If we're going to have them, the AFL should do it properly and have home (dark) and away (light) guernseys...all clubs.

ozdevil · **Joined:** Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:16 pm **Posts:** 295

TruBlueBrad wrote:

budzy wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

We SHOULD have an alternate/away strip, IMO.

No doubt we should maintain our traditional navy blue for home games, but for marketing and member involvement in this day and age, an alternate strip should be included ala the EPL clubs.

The club should get the supporters involved in designing and ultimately choosing a new design each season via the club website.

Would be good to find the Alternate guernsey thread to fill in time over the off-season.

If we're going to have them, the AFL should do it properly and have home (dark) and away (light) guernseys...all clubs.

What happened to the good old days when I think the home team wore dark shorts and the away team wore white shorts or was it the other way round

nothing clashed then... when ya start changing the colours of the guernsies is when ya start clashing with another team

what happened to the days of keep it simple...

cheers
oz

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

ozdevil wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

budzy wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

Just to expand on the clash jumper issue.

Greg Swann indicated that the AFL now only consider the Melbourne guernsey as a clash.

So they have gone from 4 clashes down to 1.

did not sound certain of this, so maybe still in negotiation stage.

However considering our Melbourne game is a home game this year he seemed to indicate that the club would not wear white in 2009 as CK said.

We SHOULD have an alternate/away strip, IMO.

No doubt we should maintain our traditional navy blue for home games, but for marketing and member involvement in this day and age, an alternate strip should be included ala the EPL clubs.

The club should get the supporters involved in designing and ultimately choosing a new design each season via the club website.

Would be good to find the Alternate guernsey thread to fill in time over the off-season.

If we're going to have them, the AFL should do it properly and have home (dark) and away (light) guernseys...all clubs.

What happened to the good old days when I think the home team wore dark shorts and the away team wore white shorts or was it the other way round

nothing clashed then... when ya start changing the colours of the guernsies is when ya start clashing with another team

what happened to the days of keep it simple...

cheers
oz

Correct.

Jumper clashes is the most overrated issue in the AFL today. No two jumpers clash at all. It's not like the EPL or soccer generally where several clubs might wear jumpers which are literally identical in terms of colour/design (e.g. Liverpool/Middlesbrough, Aston Villa/West Ham), and the need for an alternate strip is patently obvious. In AFL each jumper's colour scheme/design etc is unique. If there is to be some form of demarcation, one team wearing dark shorts and the other light shorts more than solves this problem IMO.

murraycray · **Posted:** Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:51 am

Perhaps the stupidest ''clash rule'' of all sees us wearing a white stripe on our socks when we are the away team v Collingwood.
Carlton and Collingwood have been able to differentiate between ''them and us'' for over a century.
Apparently the AFL now thinks we're idiots and can't pick one from the other.
I THINK I KNOW WHO THE IDIOTS ARE, AND IT AIN'T US !!

Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

murraycray wrote:

Perhaps the stupidest ''clash rule'' of all sees us wearing a white stripe on our socks when we are the away team v Collingwood.
Carlton and Collingwood have been able to differentiate between ''them and us'' for over a century.
Apparently the AFL now thinks we're idiots and can't pick one from the other.
I THINK I KNOW WHO THE IDIOTS ARE, AND IT AIN'T US !!

and very well paid idiots at that !

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Blues2005 wrote:

Correct.

Jumper clashes is the most overrated issue in the AFL today. No two jumpers clash at all. It's not like the EPL or soccer generally where several clubs might wear jumpers which are literally identical in terms of colour/design (e.g. Liverpool/Middlesbrough, Aston Villa/West Ham), and the need for an alternate strip is patently obvious. In AFL each jumper's colour scheme/design etc is unique. If there is to be some form of demarcation, one team wearing dark shorts and the other light shorts more than solves this problem IMO.

QFT.

I don't recall there ever being a problem in the 70s in the black mudbaths at the 'G, on black-and-white TV in matches between Collingwood and North.

It's about nothing but money.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Not to back the AFL but also clubs have changed their jumpers. Carlton would be one of the few clubs not to have. Collingwood and North used to have vertical stripes back and front. Now its a solid colour on the back. Geelong the same except for horizontal stripes. St Kilda also have a solid colour back. etc etc.
You can't just look at te front of jumpers, you have to consider the backs too

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:07 pm

Dont know about you guys but both the 1977 Grand Final and Grand Final Replay - the players were very hard to pick (both at the ground) and on TV - just ask Phil Manassa who handballed to a North Melbourne Player in the Goalsquare which resulted in a North Melbourne goal. Phil might have fallen for the "3 card trick" of "quick here Phil" but if the jumpers were more distinguishable he may not have handballed it. :wink:

Crusader · **Posted:** Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:45 am

Phil Manassa can [edit] The white jumpers look putrid and we shouldn't be wearing them.

I'm sure it does, but I don't understand how the 'commercially motivated' argument sticks.... A footy jumper is not exactly a fashion accessory, so the market is going to be limited to the supporters and the use is most-likely limited to game days (or the morning after big matches). Sure, there are plenty of CFC supporters out there - and most of them think the white jumpers look like shit - so if anything, the motivation is to cut the crap and get back to painting the town DARK NAVY BLUE.

Jabba and his cronies need to do a little less modelling off American and European football codes and a little more of listening to their own market... FFS, where do they think the EPL, NFL, etc get all of their marketing initiatives from???

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:10 pm

Crusader wrote:

... FFS, where do they think the EPL, NFL, etc get all of their marketing initiatives from???

From the [edit] Phil Manassa ate?

kingkerna · **Posted:** Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:54 pm

Quote:

A footy jumper is not exactly a fashion accessory

correct, but I bet that the alternative jumpers sell very well

Crusader · **Posted:** Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:15 am

AGRO wrote:

Crusader wrote:

... FFS, where do they think the EPL, NFL, etc get all of their marketing initiatives from???

From the [edit] Phil Manassa ate?

Its no longer on the menu.

AGM

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