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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:14 am

Adrian Gallagher

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Why extend him - its not like he is going anywhere else anytime soon. Can anyone imagine him quitting Carlton to take up some other coaching job at th end of next year? Didn't think so. So we should just sit tight and see how 2009 pans out. Then make the decision this time next year. Of course, having ssaid this, I can see from Swann's comments that he will get an extension in pretty much exactly one week from now.

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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:03 am

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I think it shows faith in his ability and what he has achieved this season.

You have to remember that we don't know what his KRA were for this season and he might have exceeded them and that was griounds for offering him an extension.

I don't think they are talking about 5 years, but possibly another year, which is on par with Knights, Bailey and Harvey.

I don't think that it's unreasonable of the club to do that.

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:44 pm

Wayne Johnston

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html

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...Carlton will also sit down with Brett Ratten's manager Ricky Nixon after agreeing to extend his tenure.

Ratten was given only an initial two-year term but his first full season was highly encouraging and he is seen to be a perfect fit at the Blues...

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:46 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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Well spotted!

I don't believe it's a good idea to be going into a season not knowing. I'ld rather they extend the contract ...if all goes pear shaped, (unlikely) pay it out. Dribbling towards the end of a contract with no clear message, plan etc is a recipe for disaster

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:22 pm

Harry Vallence

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Wait until July or thereabout I reckon . He's only half way through the original now , and a hell of a lot can happen in half a season .

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Siegfried

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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:49 pm

Rod Ashman

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klakker wrote:

Wait until July or thereabout I reckon . He's only half way through the original now , and a hell of a lot can happen in half a season .

Agree. Absolutely no reason to extend now. If the first haldf of the season is good, extend then.

We have been burned before giving premature contract extensions.

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club29

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:29 am

John Nicholls

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I was under the impression that rarely does a coach coach a season with only that season remaining on his contract.

Most get the extension sorted before the last season starts so they can concentrate on the task at hand and not go chasing cheap wins to save their bacon.

I think extending has a calming effect on the whole club.

I see no reason why they would not extend now.

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gerry atric

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:07 pm

Rod Ashman

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Sounds like the club president must be a good mate. The guy is halfway through his contract, he has been here one year with acceptable but not outstanding results, why not wait till he has at least coached a few games this year? Did we learn nothing from the Pagan experience?

Why do we need to jump into this, is he fielding offers? If he performs well he will get another contract, what is the hurry? Sign him in July if we are flying.

And Ratts, lose Ricky Nixon, get another manager.

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TruBlueBrad

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:13 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Doing contracts in July causes an unwanted distraction.

Its drawing a long bow to suggest Sticks is responsible for it.

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frank dardew

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:43 pm

Craig Bradley

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why do it now -what happens if contrary to all expectation we end in the bottom 4 next year

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Siegfried

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:59 pm

Rod Ashman

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TruBlueBrad wrote:

Doing contracts in July causes an unwanted distraction.

Yep, caused Hawthorn a massive distraction.

There are only 2 reasons why you'd do it now. one, if he was being chased by another club, which isn't happening. Or 2, it becomes a distraction - and if it does distract him, it's either because we've been losing too many games, in which case maybe we don't want to extend, or we've been winning, in which case if it's distracting Ratten then he's got a big head. Which I don't believe he does.

There is nothing to be gained and potentially lots to lose by doing it now.

There is nothing to lose and everything to be gained by waiting till mid-year.

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:28 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Siegfried wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Doing contracts in July causes an unwanted distraction.

You're the contract specialist at TC Seigfried, so I go along with what you said.

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:45 pm

Geoff Southby

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Why the @#$%&! would a senior coach need someone like Nixon to manage him?

Ratten should have a fair idea what he's worth, what his standing is in the game, what avenues are open to him, and what his position is at Carlton... without handing over a percentage of his income to Mr. "I'm Outraged On Behalf Of My Client".

Strange.

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TruBlueBrad

Post subject: Re: Fully supportive OF RATTS but

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:55 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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frank dardew wrote:

why do it now -what happens if contrary to all expectation we end in the bottom 4 next year

If we finish bottom 4 next season then I'd suggest somethingbigger than Rattens coaching is to blame.

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:24 pm

Trevor Keogh

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I do not want Ratts contract to be reviewed until the end of this season. I am concerned that we were beaten by the same teams using the same tactics last year. IMO in the return games we didn't appear to have learnt or developed any new tactics and that falls back to the coach.

The coach's job is to get the best out of what we have on the list and I thought that although the players and game plan changed we were too predictable and Fev reliant in some instances. We knew early in the season we couldn't just bomb it to Fev all the time but 22 rounds later and that was our tendency. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in year one that he was more concerned with getting games into the kids and seeing who could play where but this year there should be no excuses.

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Budsyblues

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:26 pm

Serge Silvagni

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gerry atric wrote:

Deja vu all over again.
Just remember what we were all saying after the vastly improved performance in 2004 - about 10 wins (?) and NAB cup 2005 after 15th in 2003.

Ratts has done well. Given that he has elite young talent, he was given the best player in the comp who also happens to be a peerless leader and got Stevo back, not to mention money in the footy dept after 6 years as beggars..... I would be disappointed if he had done much worse. Look at the Tiges - 16th to 9th.

Our 2008 has been much better than 04 - no thrashings and only a few bad beatings, but will Carlton ever learn! He has a contract and when he gets near the end of it make a decision.

The players are playing for him, and maybe they will still be this time next year, or maybe not. He appears a bit slow in the box on match day. He has done well, but let's wait and see. We need the best. Our selection process for the job was yet again jobs for the boys. We need to expand our development and Ants staff and get some experience in there, and we need to continue to make big strides next year. When we do, we can talk a new contract.

Why would we be so keen to extend. No-one else is after him. He is enormously inexperienced, and he has landed a dream job with a club on the up, with barely having to go through the inconvenience of an interview.

If, after the initial contract, he proves himself the best man for the job, extend, but not now. The Richmond players played well under Gieschn for a while too. Remember the two magic words - Dennis Pagan.

Excellent post.
Ratten did no better than could have reasonably been expected in 2008.
Best to keep out powder dry, and if the team progresses as we all think it should they'll be lining up to coach the club anyway and we won't have to pay more than the going rate.

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:30 pm

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Siegfried wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Doing contracts in July causes an unwanted distraction.

They say that it doesn't take long at all to work someone out, and we have had a whole year to evaluate Ratts.

It's clear that he has the players on his side, which is paramount to any coach's success, and that he is an achiever by nature through hard work....

It is quite plausible to see him taking the club to yet another level next year, which is why we must act soon.

If we wait till the end of another successful season, when he is out of contract, the ball will be squarely in his court. Other clubs will push his value up weather they are interested or not.

It would be a smart investment to act now, especially in our current economic climate which will affect our membership, and ultimately our revenue.

Sign him up!!

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:36 pm

Craig Bradley

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Ratts should, and will be given an extension. Then everyone can just
GET ON WITH IT !!

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club29

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:53 pm

John Nicholls

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Start talking about his contract now and sign him when those that Pratt put in charge feel comfortable to do so.

I have no doubt Ratts will get more than 2 years.

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Sniff Wilson

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:19 am

Wayne Johnston

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i dont think ratts should get an extension.

from what i've heard, while it can give you an extra few inches, it can really alter the feeling in the tip.

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