Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:16 am

Board index » TalkingCarlton » TalkingCarlton

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 21 of 24
  [ 476 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
mjonc
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:16 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:34 am
Posts: 8888
Location: 8888
killpies wrote:
mjonc wrote:
AGRO wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Given the enormity of this case, I'm perplexed that there are no hard copies of these emails.

Doc Sherrin, if you are around, can you clarify why the ACCC wouldn't have hard copies of these emails?



Hard copies of emails are worse than useless - anyone can type up a "copy" of an email. :wink:


Easy to identify a forged email Agro.

Compliance/Governance are the key words, the whole IT world at the upper end of the scale live by it. It bores the absolute shit out of me, and in some cases is absolute overkill how detailed it is. Anyone who had worked for a US Company will tell you about SOX policies. If you need to take a piss, make sure you're identity card gives you access to urinal 1a for 5mins and two sheets of paper, if you go over a big alarm is sounded.

Public companies must keep electronic correspondance for 7 years as part of internal controls and audit trails, especially for Directors and Executives.

As I said earlier companies develop software specifically to archive emails, protect emails from being tampered with and audit every change, restoration, deletion etc of email. It's impossible unless a IT admin has altered the applications settings, removed logs etc etc or a network has been hacked.

The ACCC lose face on two fronts, they have inadequate security controls in place to protect data or an inadequate solution in place to archive data.

Either way they are stupid.


What's the bet it was on a tape :lol: Go Dick. This should be thrown out soon 8)


Don't get me started killpies.

_________________
Mjonc signing off at 8888
Top
 Profile  
 
bluey95
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:35 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:37 pm
Posts: 566
Location: Canberra
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx ... 34&rss=yes

Computer problems have corrupted the emails, relating to correspondence between senior Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) officials.

Back-up tapes on which the emails are stored may be sent to the US to see if the data can be retrieved, the Federal Court was told on Friday.

:P :P :P :P :P

Silly twonkers - damn shame really!

I love a bit of good dick news...
Top
 Profile  
 
Synbad
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:40 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Good chance he will be back before the start of the new season as prez... :wink:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Top
 Profile  
 
teagueyubeauty
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:55 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 6450
I know where you are coming from Mjonc in regards to SOX. I work for a company that is owned by an American listed organization. Ever since SOX came in the amount of extra meetings, extra work, extra effort in detail is stupidly mindblowing. Was thinking of moving jobs because of it but because of the uncertain times we're in have decided to continue to make my working life a misery for a little while yet.

I too am flabbergasted with the ACCC's response to missing emails. If there was one place that i thought would be just as bad as working to SOX guidelines it would be a government department.

It seems there really are x-files. I wonder if it was the smoking man that physically corrupted the tapes :lol:

_________________
"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
killpies
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:30 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:38 am
Posts: 5821
Location: home
mjonc wrote:
killpies wrote:
mjonc wrote:
AGRO wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Given the enormity of this case, I'm perplexed that there are no hard copies of these emails.

Doc Sherrin, if you are around, can you clarify why the ACCC wouldn't have hard copies of these emails?



Hard copies of emails are worse than useless - anyone can type up a "copy" of an email. :wink:


Easy to identify a forged email Agro.

Compliance/Governance are the key words, the whole IT world at the upper end of the scale live by it. It bores the absolute shit out of me, and in some cases is absolute overkill how detailed it is. Anyone who had worked for a US Company will tell you about SOX policies. If you need to take a piss, make sure you're identity card gives you access to urinal 1a for 5mins and two sheets of paper, if you go over a big alarm is sounded.

Public companies must keep electronic correspondance for 7 years as part of internal controls and audit trails, especially for Directors and Executives.

As I said earlier companies develop software specifically to archive emails, protect emails from being tampered with and audit every change, restoration, deletion etc of email. It's impossible unless a IT admin has altered the applications settings, removed logs etc etc or a network has been hacked.

The ACCC lose face on two fronts, they have inadequate security controls in place to protect data or an inadequate solution in place to archive data.

Either way they are stupid.


What's the bet it was on a tape :lol: Go Dick. This should be thrown out soon 8)


Don't get me started killpies.


Sorry, I cant resist, i work for a vendor in this industry and see this shit all the time. They have probably changed backup software vendors and versions about 5 times since it was put on the tape, and dont have a tape drive that can read the one it;s on cause its about 4 versions old too, oh and the guy who knew how to drive the software left the agency about 3 yrs ago :lol: :lol: :lol:

Synbad is right, we should have a "new" prez before the start of the next season 8)

_________________
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Ronald Reagan
Top
 Profile  
 
Warby
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:51 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:49 pm
Posts: 27793
Location: Southbank.
Image

_________________
No ones listening till you make a mistake.
Top
 Profile  
 
CK95
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:10 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 35921
Location: Half back flank
You googled image searched "Big Dick" :shock:

_________________
#DonTheStash
Top
 Profile  
 
mjonc
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:33 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:34 am
Posts: 8888
Location: 8888
killpies wrote:
mjonc wrote:
killpies wrote:
mjonc wrote:
AGRO wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Given the enormity of this case, I'm perplexed that there are no hard copies of these emails.

Doc Sherrin, if you are around, can you clarify why the ACCC wouldn't have hard copies of these emails?



Hard copies of emails are worse than useless - anyone can type up a "copy" of an email. :wink:


Easy to identify a forged email Agro.

Compliance/Governance are the key words, the whole IT world at the upper end of the scale live by it. It bores the absolute shit out of me, and in some cases is absolute overkill how detailed it is. Anyone who had worked for a US Company will tell you about SOX policies. If you need to take a piss, make sure you're identity card gives you access to urinal 1a for 5mins and two sheets of paper, if you go over a big alarm is sounded.

Public companies must keep electronic correspondance for 7 years as part of internal controls and audit trails, especially for Directors and Executives.

As I said earlier companies develop software specifically to archive emails, protect emails from being tampered with and audit every change, restoration, deletion etc of email. It's impossible unless a IT admin has altered the applications settings, removed logs etc etc or a network has been hacked.

The ACCC lose face on two fronts, they have inadequate security controls in place to protect data or an inadequate solution in place to archive data.

Either way they are stupid.


What's the bet it was on a tape :lol: Go Dick. This should be thrown out soon 8)


Don't get me started killpies.


Sorry, I cant resist, i work for a vendor in this industry and see this shit all the time. They have probably changed backup software vendors and versions about 5 times since it was put on the tape, and dont have a tape drive that can read the one it;s on cause its about 4 versions old too, oh and the guy who knew how to drive the software left the agency about 3 yrs ago :lol: :lol: :lol:

Synbad is right, we should have a "new" prez before the start of the next season 8)


If they are relying on tape alone in the DR plan then god help them.

Tapes are prone to faults, using that as there only backup method is absurd. I have they lose for being stupid, anyone looking for a job as an IT Manager might get there chance at the ACCC shortly.

_________________
Mjonc signing off at 8888
Top
 Profile  
 
Megaman
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:31 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:26 am
Posts: 14732
Location: Comparing orange boners with Hirdy
CK95 wrote:
You googled image searched "Big Dick" :shock:


Lets hope he had "safe search" on :lol:
Top
 Profile  
 
tcblue
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:20 pm 
Offline
Rod McGregor
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 02, 2006 3:27 am
Posts: 161
Good one Warby. :-D

.
Top
 Profile  
 
kkk
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:22 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:34 pm
Posts: 1223
Location: East Coburg
I hate to play the Devil's advocate, but Dick deserves everything that gets thrown at him.

If he was Collingwood President everyone on this site would be calling for the death penalty.

He's a crook, get over it.

And that's from someone who's loved the Blues since the 1950's.

_________________
"You can't polish a James Hird"
Top
 Profile  
 
klakker
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:10 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed May 17, 2006 10:32 am
Posts: 1077
Location: east coast
Well he's not the Collingwood president kkk .
Maybe you should take your stuff over to Nicks . You would probably feel at home there.
Top
 Profile  
 
CarltonClem
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:22 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:26 pm
Posts: 4719
Location: Parliament House, Canberra
kkk wrote:
I hate to play the Devil's advocate, but Dick deserves everything that gets thrown at him.

If he was Collingwood President everyone on this site would be calling for the death penalty.

He's a crook, get over it.

And that's from someone who's loved the Blues since the 1950's.


That's a serious allegation you've made there kkk saying that Pratt is a "crook".

He has yet to be convicted of any crime. His company was found guilty of price fixing by the ACCC but that is not a criminal offence in Australia.

Whether it's Eddie McGuire or the late Ron Evans, to label someone a criminal without the "alleged" in front of it is dangerous unless they have been found guilty of a criminal offence.

_________________
"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky
Top
 Profile  
 
TenOutOfTen
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:56 am 
Offline
Ken Hands

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:57 pm
Posts: 457
teagueyubeauty wrote:
It seems there really are x-files. I wonder if it was the smoking man that physically corrupted the tapes :lol:

Genuine Rofl at this comment :lol:
Top
 Profile  
 
Headplant
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:26 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:50 am
Posts: 3190
Location: Whistler
mjonc wrote:

If they are relying on tape alone in the DR plan then god help them.

Tapes are prone to faults, using that as there only backup method is absurd. I have they lose for being stupid, anyone looking for a job as an IT Manager might get there chance at the ACCC shortly.


Well, disks are a lot cheaper now, but of course it would be misleading to claim that tapes cannot be used for backups, as they were the standard mechanism within most organisations for decades.

Hard disks can and do develop physical faults ... perhaps not as frequently as tape, although I'm not sure of the actual stats on this.

Of course the other question is how accurate is the info which has appeared in the press. it is not exactly a technical presentation of their backup strategy. Things can and do go wrong, even in systems which are thought to be highly reliable. There have been numerous systems failures around the world. e.g. telco systems, which illustrate this.

It's interesting though! :wink:

I do remember back in 1982 writing a VLSI design project to tape on a VAX11/780, and the tape spool was stored in a filing cabinet, no magnetic devices nearby. ... 2 years later when I wanted to get a print of the design layout, the tape was unreadable.
Top
 Profile  
 
murraycray
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:36 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 8:15 pm
Posts: 6748
Location: Echuca
kkk wrote:
I hate to play the Devil's advocate, but Dick deserves everything that gets thrown at him.

If he was Collingwood President everyone on this site would be calling for the death penalty.

He's a crook, get over it.

And that's from someone who's loved the Blues since the 1950's.

:shock: Worst post I've read on this forum. And that's from someone who's ALSO loved the Blues since the '50s.

_________________
The problem with Socialism is, you eventually run out of other people's money.
Top
 Profile  
 
true_blue3
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:16 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm
Posts: 6836
murraycray wrote:
kkk wrote:
I hate to play the Devil's advocate, but Dick deserves everything that gets thrown at him.

If he was Collingwood President everyone on this site would be calling for the death penalty.

He's a crook, get over it.

And that's from someone who's loved the Blues since the 1950's.

:shock: Worst post I've read on this forum. And that's from someone who's ALSO loved the Blues since the '50s.


if he was at collingwood, i know i'd be hurling abuse at him and collingwood in truckloads. but because he pulled my team out of shit and put it back on track to return to the powerhouse it should be and in contention for a premiership, nothing he could do would upset me. i don't care how much he's ripped me off, he has my blessings. if he was collingwood prez on the other hand.....

_________________
Last edited by true_blue3 on Mon Sep 26, 1981 5:07 pm; edited 92 times in total
Top
 Profile  
 
kingkerna
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:01 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39 am
Posts: 30269
Location: riding shotgun on Agros Karma Train
now we know what kkk stands for

_________________
Between our dreams and actions lies this world
Top
 Profile  
 
95perfection
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:07 pm 
Offline
Garry Crane
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:00 am
Posts: 281
Warby wrote:
Image



:shock: :shock: :shock:


Must require a considerable amount of control for a "Minnow Shot" from "Big Dick".

_________________
^^^

Don't worry Essendon* ....... We still hate your guts

^^^
Top
 Profile  
 
Jarusa
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:36 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am
Posts: 23123
kingkerna wrote:
now we know what kkk stands for


steady on kk, kkk is a good bloke, we've all got different opinions about the club, but we all love the club (except for melvey).







onlyjoking.

_________________
|♥♥♥♥♥♥| http://www.blueseum.org |♥♥♥♥♥♥|
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 21 of 24
  [ 476 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24  Next

Board index » TalkingCarlton » TalkingCarlton

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 44 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group