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Take on Richard Pratt at your peril.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

What an absolute joke, restoration of archived email takes minutes

Being the ACCC I'm sure a few well known vendors have knocked on there door and provided a solution for email archiving, if not they will be getting a call tomorrow

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

Pratt case emails corrupted, court told

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Advantage Pratt.

Perhaps the ACCC and Mr. Samuals can get back to doing what they're paid to do rather than usuing tax-payers money for personal vendetta's?

I dunno............ i'm not the most smartest man in the world, but would i be correct in assuming that this whole case has been a giant waste of time and money?

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Filled up my tank last night, it cost a lot of money...just sayin'...

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Given the enormity of this case, I'm perplexed that there are no hard copies of these emails.

Doc Sherrin, if you are around, can you clarify why the ACCC wouldn't have hard copies of these emails?

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I'm guessing because having the emails wouldn't back up their case.

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Hard copies of emails are worse than useless - anyone can type up a "copy" of an email.

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Winston Churchill

I've since moved into Sports Management and no longer with the ACCC, but I can categorically say that just like any other government agency they are sticklers for keeping things on file. That's electronic and hard copy file. To suggest that this documentation has just disappeared I find astonishing and bewildering.

As for the price of stamps, petrol and groceries...yes - you're getting ripped off - but put it down to 2 things...Economies of scale and the fact that everyone in this country handballs something to someone else - therefore it can't be anyone's fault



Sounds like a perfect title for a Ph.D thesis to me Ryan...I think you're selling yourself short there mate!

Easy to identify a forged email Agro.

Compliance/Governance are the key words, the whole IT world at the upper end of the scale live by it. It bores the absolute shit out of me, and in some cases is absolute overkill how detailed it is. Anyone who had worked for a US Company will tell you about SOX policies. If you need to take a piss, make sure you're identity card gives you access to urinal 1a for 5mins and two sheets of paper, if you go over a big alarm is sounded.

Public companies must keep electronic correspondance for 7 years as part of internal controls and audit trails, especially for Directors and Executives.

As I said earlier companies develop software specifically to archive emails, protect emails from being tampered with and audit every change, restoration, deletion etc of email. It's impossible unless a IT admin has altered the applications settings, removed logs etc etc or a network has been hacked.

The ACCC lose face on two fronts, they have inadequate security controls in place to protect data or an inadequate solution in place to archive data.

Either way they are stupid.

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Dunno, I once beat a Govt Dept at arbitration when we had 4 or 5 massive volumes of printed out e-mails and other forms of written communication on our side of the table, Govt department had one manila folder with 3 bits of A4 paper in it on the other. Dispute was over a contract and the Govt didnt want to pay because we hadnt finished all of the work, we claimed we had done all we could and were claiming 'excusable delay'. As the days wore on it appeared they had banked their strategy on the Dennis Denuto defence; the 'vibe' of things.

2 days into the 5 day process the arbitrator (ex judge) put them out of their collective misery and awarded us the $$ in dispute ($1.2m if I remember correctly). A great advertisement for printing out and keeping e-mails.

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Do you mean forensically ie. by being able to identify that the hard copy was printed off the same printer as the one in your office?

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Forensically.

If the court accepted a print out of an email without the original digital copy containing the time stamps and Internet Headers I'd be worried.

A fingerprint of every email into and out and internally of an organisation the size of the ACCC can be traced via logs.

I run logging and email recovery techniques at 3 levels for my client base, I do it for the simple reason that end users will lie to cover there tracks and will also delete email thinking they are safe.

When a Director of the business asks for all emails they have sent, I have them ready within the hour.

Most larger businesses will also block webmail access as a method to circumvent internal mail policies.

I've had a background in email/web security for 8 years and installed solutions for some very large corporations also assisting in policy development, that's why I laugh at the ACCC, it's bollocks, I hope the auditors take them to town after going on public record stating that.

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Just a continuation of the pathetic efforts of the ACCC in all areas to date..incompetent.

Just seems like a billion-dollar corporate way of saying "The dog ate my homework". Something VERY fishy going on and I hope these pricks are shown as the hypocrites and gutless wonders they are.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Certainly shows them up to be clueless no-hopers.

Patrick Smith won't be happy.

What's the bet it was on a tape Go Dick. This should be thrown out soon

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