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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:35 pm 
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think it can be done, but i think about 14 teams can do it also, hate when people post we should/ can beat , anyone can beat anyone on a given day.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:56 pm 
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To take a leaf out of Ratt's B&F address, EXPECTING to make 8 and more likely 4 to 7. None of this "we might make the 8" sort of rubbish.

3rd is a big call, but not impossible. FFS, Port made the GF last year!

2010 - book your GF tickets now! 8)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:20 pm 
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Flowering winners mentality. That is what I want going into 2009.
Meaning belief that WE CAN WIN THE PREMIERSHIP IN 2009.
Looking at Sydney, Geelong & now Hawthorn in the last few years alone. :idea:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:24 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
Dawks and Cats will start 1 and 2. and most likely finish 1 and 2.

3rd-8th very open.

Dogs
Saints
Pies
Crows
Swans
Roos

All very ordinary teams and we are capable of beating them.

So why shouldn't we quickly move to 3rd and Challenge in 2010.

Key is a favourable draw, games at the G and early wins. We can't afford to start zip 3 ever again.

We need to aim for 14-16 wins. (side note Judd will win Brownlow if we win enough)

Required wins in Blockbusters
Pies (Will not improve in 09) x 2 wins (2008 2 wins) -
Bombers (Will go backwards in 09) x 2 wins (2008 0 Wins)
Saints x 2 (Will not improve in 09) x 2 wins (2008 0 Wins)
Tigers x 2 (May improve in 09) x2 wins(2008 1 win)
Total 8 Wins (This years 3 wins from 8 was rubbish)

Then we need to go 50:50 in for the rest of the season.

Now that is 15 wins and 3rd spot, sounds simple.

Our team needs to think big, like the Dawks dared to do.

My Best Side for 2009 (assume Warnock arrives)

FB Grigg Jamison Armfield
HB Bower Waite Simpson
C Walker Stevens Russell
HF Gibbs Kruezer Houlihan
F Hartlett Fevola Betts

Rucks
Warnock
Judd
Murphy

Int
Hampson
Hadley
Carazzo
Cloke

Scotland will need to miss as his butchers the ball too often, lacks genuince pace and isn't hard enough.

Thornton has had his chance, unable to shut down taller & stronger types. Blind turns into trouble far too often.

Fisher had a poor season in 08 and Hartlett must be given a genuine chane to show he talent leading and marking

My team explained.

Grigg is a nice height and has developed well in 2008, delivers ball cleanly and can expose taller forwards with his pace, happy to push forward and get at goal.

Jamison has the level of concentration and skills required to shutdown most forwards. May struggle against Buddy and Brown.

Armfield to be given first crack on small forwards, needs to run forward and expose forwards that will not chase.

Bower cut down by ugly Cats in 08, will bouce back in 09 and show that he is the new WOOF man. Happy to push forward and kick goals

Waite able to play forward and back and shut down Richo, Lucas, Reiwold (the rabbitman) Needs a red hot season in 09.

Simpson to replace Scotland across half back, will use pace to push forward and kick goals, accurate kicking will be a must.

Walker will be pissed that Cooney won Brownlow plenty to prove, will push forwards for plenty of goals, will aim to take mark of the year.

Stevens on last chance needs to play more dominating qtrs, Lots to prove, will shine in finals like previous centreman, Buckly, Johnston & Williams

Russell - The one people love to hate, what he lacks in skill he makes up for in unsocialable football, funny that he was selected in all games in 2008. Ratten is liking 1% work that most fans missed.

Gibbs - The Rolls Royce of the team, will kick more goals and will be damaging wherever he goes in 2009.

Kuezer - Will assume toughest posi and will put head over the ball, wont kick tons of goals but will contest everything. Will Ruck forward line like Kernahan used to.

Houlihan - Will want to prove that he can play a full season. Has skills required to finish from impossible angles. Just what you need on fast tracks late in September.

Hartlett - Now why would Ratten keep him? Well Fisher is not improving, so he needs to take opportunity to show his leading and marking skills. Can move up and play across half forward when required.

Fev - Will need to kick 75 plus goals and tackle hard and lead young forward line.

Betts - Has skills and pace but needs to play 4 quarters, can lead up the ground and suprise opposition.

Warnock - Hmm, 21 games in 4 seasons, hope he is worth it!

Judd - Needs to stay fit, nothing more to say. Will cut up everyone and needs to kick more goals.

Murphy - Will need to gut run more often and paly 4 qtrs and kick more goals.

Hampson to 2nd ruck as Kruez will be more damaging as a forwards as he proved against Port.

Hadley genuine utility (play back, forward, middle or run with roles) Needs to stay fit.

Carazzo to rotate middle or back for taller shutdown jobs

Cloke to fill in at Half Forward when Kruez needs a rest.

Major theme KICK more goals, take risks!!

Go Blues.


4 rucks in the 22? NO CHANCE.

JR in starting 18??? ARE U KIDDING ME???

NO THORNTON??? cmon mate, what do u mean he's had his chance? as the number 3 0r 4 defender he will be great.

NO FISHER??? 1 bad year, play him close to goal and he'll be fine. I LOVE Hartlett but 2 injury prone.

NO SCOTLAND??? we need experience, cant have a team full of kids. Play him on the wing pushing forward and we finally have a goal kicking wingman.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:22 pm 
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I know i'm gonna be alone here in saying...i think Fisher will be very valuable and will be one of the major difference that would determine if we truely play in september and how deep we play in september.

He had enough shots at goal this year, just missed heaps...if he works hard through the preseason, i'm very confident he can regain his accuracy and be a 50 goal player.

plus he was played up the ground alot this year.

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Habib wrote:
I know i'm gonna be alone here in saying...i think Fisher will be very valuable and will be one of the major difference that would determine if we truely play in september and how deep we play in september.

He had enough shots at goal this year, just missed heaps...if he works hard through the preseason, i'm very confident he can regain his accuracy and be a 50 goal player.

plus he was played up the ground alot this year.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:44 pm 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
Habib wrote:
I know i'm gonna be alone here in saying...i think Fisher will be very valuable and will be one of the major difference that would determine if we truely play in september and how deep we play in september.

He had enough shots at goal this year, just missed heaps...if he works hard through the preseason, i'm very confident he can regain his accuracy and be a 50 goal player.

plus he was played up the ground alot this year.


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Plus the improvement we'll see from our peripheral players, such as JR; the pleasing thing to see from this year was the fact that a lot of our players got their hands on the ball. If they keep improving at the rate we're expecting them to, we should see JR, Bentick and the like to take big steps next year. If Fisher can kick 50 as Habib suggested, Wiggo and JR can chime in with 25-30 each (along with Cloke, Kruzer and the midfield increasing their scoring potency), then our forwardline will look far more productive and unpredictable. A big if will be getting :idea: Warnock


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:48 pm 
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Habib wrote:
I know i'm gonna be alone here in saying...i think Fisher will be very valuable and will be one of the major difference that would determine if we truely play in september and how deep we play in september.

He had enough shots at goal this year, just missed heaps...if he works hard through the preseason, i'm very confident he can regain his accuracy and be a 50 goal player.

plus he was played up the ground alot this year.



Is there a difference between Fisher and Tarrant?

Any?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:48 pm 
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mjonc wrote:
Melvey wrote:
caulfieldrover wrote:
Dawks and Cats will start 1 and 2. and most likely finish 1 and 2.

3rd-8th very open.

Dogs
Saints
Pies
Crows
Swans
Roos



We only beat 2 of those 6 and don't forget we lost to the Bombers twice who are on the rise.

The Saints, Dogs, Roos and Swans will be hard to beat in 2009.

Top four is wishful thinking especially when we yet to make the eight


Bollocks. The only teams we had trouble with this year were the Roos, Geelong and Hawthorn, the rest we could've and should've beaten.

Top 4 will be achievable if the boys put in a big pre-season and reduce the quarter fade outs we had this year. We have huge scope on our list for rapid improvement, and the biggest area I feel we will improve is our hardness at the contest, Hadley and Browne will be big players for us next year in this area. Browne will become our run with player, he has been groomed in this position when playing Bullants while getting a good taste for the bigtime also.

14 wins should be our target, anything less than 12 would be a failure.


Could of, should of, would of but we didn't.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:10 pm 
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These sort of threads appear on bigfooty everyday...the "bookmark it" types.

Anything can happen next year, but one things for sure theres no way well have 4 ruckmen in the team, Hartlett is NOT in our best 22, Scotland still is, as well as Thornton by default.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:54 pm 
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12 or 13 wins in 2009.

Improvement will come slowly.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:46 pm 
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walkers a gun wrote:
NO THORNTON???

NO FISHER???

NO SCOTLAND???
NO CARLOS??!

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DownUnderChick wrote:
Habib wrote:
I know i'm gonna be alone here in saying...i think Fisher will be very valuable and will be one of the major difference that would determine if we truely play in september and how deep we play in september.

He had enough shots at goal this year, just missed heaps...if he works hard through the preseason, i'm very confident he can regain his accuracy and be a 50 goal player.

plus he was played up the ground alot this year.


+1


I can buy that too; makes good reading.

Fingers crossed.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:08 am 
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Agree that we are top 4 contenders. After the GF my thoughts were "well we aren't too far away"

Geelong and Hawthorn play a great running style of footy (similar to us at full flight) so they will be hard to match up on

St Kilda, Sydney and Adelaide play stupid, slow down, rope-a-dope type footy, beat em 7 goals to 6 type footy. Our running game can beat that.

Our win over Footscray showed we can match it with them (third this year by the way).

Didn't see the North game so can't comment (although I have a theory that some of our players were told by Pagan that North was great and they started to believe it)

The rest are, at best, middle of the road with deficiencies in their lists and playing style that can be exploited. With the natural improvement of our young list there is no reason we can't be top 8 and potentially top 4.

Just my two cents.....


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:12 am 
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blueman wrote:
12 or 13 wins in 2009.

Improvement will come slowly.


At least that means WW3 will probably be at least a year away.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:04 am 
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blueman wrote:
12 or 13 wins in 2009.

Improvement will come slowly.


The voice of reason.
No point setting unrealistic goals
2009 = 12 -14 wins = playing finals for the first time since '01
Anything better than that will be wonderful bonus
TOP 4 = comedy hour

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:33 am 
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Before this year I predicted that we would get close to finals, but that making them would be a bonus. We're on target from my perspective. Top 8 should be the goal for 09 (with top 4 being the bonus), and then top 4 the year after. Had we made the 8 this year things may have accelerated a bit.

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bluebeard wrote:
In 2009 we should beat

Essendon*
Collignwood
Melbourne
Port
Fremantle
West Coast

We can beat (with a 4 quarter effort)

Any one else

But particularly

St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Adelaide


A 12 - 14 win year me thinks.

Me hopes


Right on the money there....

If we manage to hold on in games we just shouldnt lose then 12-14 wins is easily achievable next year.. Remember, this year we lost games against Richmond, Essendon* (twice), Sydney and Adelaide when we should ve won.

A bit more confidence in ourelves and the addition of a ibt of extra class into our side and we're well on our way...

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Our game plan needs some tweaking before we are going up the ladder.

We need to create more defensive pressure on the ball and 1 on 2 contests at half back. Hawthorn did this better than anyone by creating mismatch contests where they didn't alow forward entries to high percentage scoring areas.

Even though our defensive effort improved this season I thought we lost a number of winable games by giving away too many soft goals. Allowing soft goals removes defensive pressure.

Some of this improvement will come from our young guys growing together and looking out for each other. The rest has to come from tactical improvements and personnel upgrades.

I think Top 8 is required so we feel the pain of losing finals before we can win them.

My Top 8

Cats
Hawks
North
Collingwood
Blues
Dogs
St Kilda
Port


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:06 am 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
Key is a favourable draw, games at the G and early wins.

Games at the MCG and early wins would be great, but I don't want a favourable draw. Not next year, or any year after. I want a good, even draw, which tests the players and coaching staff, improves them and gets them match-hardened.

To be a premiership we'll have to win three games in four weeks, all against top-eight teams (with two, if not all, of those wins against top-four teams.) We won't prepare for those demands with a favourable draw.


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