Go on - name names.

I did...

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For Goodness Sake...please dont put wind in Melveys sails.

It is a football club...with football related goals and objectives. The environmetally friendly aspect is to be congratulated, however it should not and must not be put out of all proportion.

The Visy tie-up is to sponsor the clu for 5 mil. So we by default take on some...thats right some of the credentials or selling points of the sponsor.

We are a Football Club.

If the sponsor was Vodafone would we be up in arms because Swan didnt pull a phone apart and explain how the flowering thing works.

FFS keep things in perspective

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I agree with GWS.

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If Melvey's right he's right.

Won't change anything. I'm sure he's still capable of being wrong some of the time. You seem to be having a fair crack at it. If you can, why not Melvey?



But that's where the problem lies. If you're going to talk the talk...

There's nothing in that proposal that's outside what's now regarded as "normal commercial building practice". And we're talking bottom end of the spectrum here.

The club's the one blowing it out of proportion.



Perhaps we could have given each member a cardboard box?



That's the point. If it was a phone company Swann wouldn't be doing anything of the sort. He'd accept the phones and the sponsorship and say thanks very much.



I think I am.

Might look like a spade but it doesn't stop it being a @#$%&! shovel.

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To put a heating system into a building development that is 93% efficient as against the standard 81% efficient units cost about 35% more . The pay back period is about 2.5 years

I sell these systems and have been doing so for about 20 years

You know I've only ever sold 2 off 93% systems and 1000's of the 81% systems.

Going Green is a dead set wank- Developers don't want to know about it- This PP development will go the same way as every other development and thats to who ever provided the cheapest price .

The builder only wants equipment to get through defects liability period

CARLTON v HAWKS MATCHDAY ACTIVITIES

http://carltonfc.com.au/News/NewsArticl ... wsId=66487



Fire at will!!

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I don't disagree.

We're miles behind in Australia. In Europe there are loads of developments going up that rely on the passive aspects of building design to massively improve their building's efficiency. In countries that annually have to put up with below zero temperatures there are developments that can be heated with the equivalent of a hair dryer.

Until our building industry starts to accept that the initial stages of the design process are where you make the biggest improvements you'll have to keep bashing your head against a brick wall if you want to try to sell your better performing heating systems.

If you build it right in Australia you shouldn't need heating at all.

Which may not be so good for you...

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Don't tell any one for flowers sake

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I,m really nervous GWS about you agreeing with Mevey.

Next minute you will also agree that a 195cm, 95kg ruckman will be better placed to handle the rough and tumble of the job than a 195cm,98 kg ruckman who happens to be half the age????

BTW, can i suggest that if you are a female reading this do not assume that you have a superior knowledge base to the all seeing, late night leak from a veritable Melbourne news organisation!

You're not the only one.

If you read on you'll also see me agreeing with Sydney Blue.

It's likely chimps and Shakespeare.

If you keep tapping away long enough on a site like this you'll agree with just about everyone eventually.

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I understand what you are getting at GWS, but do you know this for sure? I mean all I have seen mentioned in the media so far is:
Firstly, being a new large-scale development it is subject to compliance with clause 56 of the Victorian Planning Provisions (introduced Oct 2006) which is aimed at building sustainable neighbourhoods. In Layman's terms the development will have to meet a range of objectives in the clause to receive planning approval. Some intergrated water management techniques are mentioned above, but others such as meeting best practice for stormwater runoff quality by using water sensitive urban design techniques (developed by the CSIRO and Melbourne water) are not mentioned. Rest assured that some of the changes that will be made as a result of this development but not mentioned in the media will have much greater environmental benefits than that of a bullshit "5-star" housing project. It's chalk and cheese really, trust me I know.



That's exactly right, and it will be worked up. I think you will find that there are probably a number of "green" intiatives that will be introduced as this development progresses. There are a number of initiatives that can't realistically be mentioned at this stage. Things like becoming a "Waste-Wise" (soon to be renamed "Resource Smart") business as certified by the state government's regional waste management group, becoming members of the "Eco-Buy" program are a few that can't be quoted at this stage. I would imagine that purchasing "green" energy would be one of the first initiatives that will be brought in once the development is completed.

I think you'll find that it will be fed to the media like a drip over time to keep the interest high and allow a few more press conferences with our new "Ambassador" there for everyone to see.

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If Melvey's right he's right.

Won't change anything. I'm sure he's still capable of being wrong some of the time. You seem to be having a fair crack at it. If you can, why not Melvey? [/quote] I'll tell you something fo nothing GWS. You thinking Melvey is right doesnt't make hime right. It just makes you wrong with him



[/quote] But that's where the problem lies. If you're going to talk the talk...

There's nothing in that proposal that's outside what's now regarded as "normal commercial building practice". And we're talking bottom end of the spectrum here.

The club's the one blowing it out of proportion. [/quote]

What part of "The green reference is incidental to the prroject. It is a footabll facility" Dont you understand?



[/quote]Perhaps we could have given each member a cardboard box? [/quote]

Thats just a nonsensical peice of irrelevence



[/quote]That's the point. If it was a phone company Swann wouldn't be doing anything of the sort. He'd accept the phones and the sponsorship and say thanks very much. [/quote]

Just like he is doing with Visy. Including pushing aspects of their profile



[/quote]I think I am. [/quote]

I know your not

[/quote]Might look like a spade but it doesn't stop it being a flower shovel.[/quote] i don't agree with this statement. (original comment replaced by mods)

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baz baz...you need to practise your use of the "quote" function!

And also be a little bit careful in how you disagree with someone please.

Is this a recycled Tuckerbag mascot or something?... Look how the label is falling off I can't imagine him (and it has to be a him otherwise you can see her box) having to change outfits at any stage.

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[quote="Mrs Caz"baz baz...you need to practise your use of the "quote" function!

And also be a little bit careful in how you disagree with someone please. [/quote]

QFT

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Ive practised the quote and I think Ive got it
Just what part of the response do you think I need to be careful about. the responses were to the thoughts....not derogitory to the person

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Good work baz...

From the Guidelines:



i'd like everyone to take a refresher course please.


Now go back to discussing the merits or faults of the Visy sponsorship.

So Mrs Caz. How would you categorize these staements?

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