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- JR's tag on TJ. Waste of a player. Johnstone is an outside player, he was started on the bench, they were not kicking the ball anywhere near him, would have barely played 50% of the game. A waste of a tag. JR did barely OK, turned it over roughly as many times as moving it on.


Hey stats man can you please tell me the Stats for Johnstone the last 2 times we have played BL and how much we have lost by each time.

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Can you pleae tell me Johnston's stats for last week, and how much game time he had?

Can you tell me whether you rate Johnstone at all? I don't.

I thought it was a waste to have a tag on a player that was only played for 50-60% of the game and has not been a prime mover for them over the last 5 or 6 weeks? That just seems silly.


No doubt Russell did a good job, but is was on their 4th or 5th best midfielder. Can we afford to keep sacrificing a player week in week out?

Is it that Ratten admits that Russell cannot play offensively?


so a kid does his job better than perfectly and you still want to hang him out to dry. You folks are bordering on pathetic.

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Perfectly? and you call us pathetic :shock:


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troybond wrote:
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Pros:

Finally went to a more modern mobile defence in the last qtr. Two talls and runners. We got to contests quicker and had more run.

Finally got Waite up forward. He is a genuine " X FACTOR " and should be used as such. Other people can do defensive jobs.

Finally used Cloke as a permanant forward. Is a strong mark and a good kick. Looks natural in the position.

Anderson got game time. May make some mistakes but this kid will be a star, just give him time in defence. Put Armfield in as well.

Houlihan, a little bit of skill goes a long way. A real genuine small goalkicker.

Murph and Gibbs under pressure, fantastic.

Great start.

Straight kicking for goal.

Another away record bites the dust.



Cons:

Carrazzo is NOT a defender, needs to play on ball or not at all.

That third qtr.

Opposition kicking over 100 pts again.

Walker flying for hangers to often in fwd line.



What no room for STEVO in the pro's...............
*snip*

Stevo was by far our BOG tonight.


TB

If you want me to list all Pros I might be here for a while.

No need for name calling just because comments don't support your bias.

Its not as if I put him in the cons, mind you he had no one on him :-D


Hey mate you and Keogh are the first to bag him.

He was clearly in our best 3 players tonight and you don't have the guts to give credit where credit is due.

I know you have your opinions on him and that's fine coz that's your opinion but geez

Says alot about someone in my eyes.


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Hey TB chill a little - we one the game.

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Ummmmmmmmm...........what more did you actually want from the role he was given???

Wait............don't tell me......................keep travis to 6 possessions...............silly me :shock:

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Ummmmmmmmm...........what more did you actually want from the role he was given???

Wait............don't tell me......................keep travis to 6 possessions...............silly me :shock:

Regards Cazzesman


We obviously just a different definition of 'perfect' :-D


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Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

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Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


How about getting the facts straight!!

Where did I say Johnstone was injured?

Although there is no doubt he is a second rate onballer. I would certainly put Black, Power, Rischetelli, Brennan, Adcock, even Dalzeil ahead of him. He has been average this year and was dropped not long ago. If any of the others were tagging him I would of asked the same question.

As I said, JR did a good job on him, but Johnstone is poor defensively and Russell certainly didn't hurt them in attack.

Maybe some people are right, we may be trying to pump up his value?

I'm happy just to enjoy the win! :-D


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Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


cazz, i think they're more bagging the MC for making russell tag johnstone rather than tag one of their better on-ballers. i don't think anyone has said russell didn't do his job tonight.

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Pros
- as per what everyone else has written however I also think Armfield deserves a mention. As well as doing a sound defensive role he provides some good offensive rebound.

Cons
- Waite's turnovers in defence and sometimes he doesn't seem to read the ball very well off the boot/in the air (he redeemed himself a little in the last qtr however)
- Bentick ineffective and IMO too slow for AFL. Bring back Hadley if he is fit.
- Carazzo not suited for the back pocket.....I feel very nervous whenever he has to kick under pressure.

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JR did a great job on a second rate hack who did not even start on the ground and was getting rubbed down in the first five minutes of the game.

He did a great job a on a player that had about 50% game time and a player that the brisbane players never looked for.

He did a great job in those parameters.

On the offensive side he had his usual game of 5 or 6 good possessions and 3 or 4 clangers.

You see JR just has to look at a Sherrin and some people here will 'cream their dacks' as you so eloquently put it.

JR gets a lot of criticism that is over the top and frankly unfair, but he also gets a legion of sycophants who overplay evry tiny thing he may do on the footy field to the nth degree.Both sides areas bad as each other.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


How about getting the facts straight!!

Where did I say Johnstone was injured?

Although there is no doubt he is a second rate onballer. I would certainly put Black, Power, Rischetelli, Brennan, Adcock, even Dalzeil ahead of him. He has been average this year and was dropped not long ago. If any of the others were tagging him I would of asked the same question.

As I said, JR did a good job on him, but Johnstone is poor defensively and Russell certainly didn't hurt them in attack.

Maybe some people are right, we may be trying to pump up his value?

I'm happy just to enjoy the win! :-D


You are right that Johnstone is poor defensively. Everyone knows that but he certainly hurts teams being a front runner. He sets up goals and occasionally kicks them. Jordy stopped him doing either tonight and had him benched regularly because he had no impact.

I don't give flying fig what you think about Johnstone as an onballer in the Lions team but the fact is the MC thought he was a danger and his past 2 games against the Blues have proved it. Previously he has torn us to bits offensively. JR was given the role to shut him down and he destroyed him tonight.

Thems the facts, no matter how you, Keogh and Jarusa want to spin it.

Next week might be different but this week give credit where it is due.

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- Thought Murphy was at his silky best tonight. Skills were spot on.
- Stevens going head to head with Black and pantsing him.
- Bentick's tackling (10 for the game) was first rate. He may have made a few blues but his ferocity at the contest was huge.
- JR killed Johnstone. Definitely the right match up from the MC. Apart from the 3rd quarter where everything went to the shit, we had good match ups throughout the midfield and played the game on our terms.
- I thought our young boys in the ruck had a good crack at Charman though it was painful to watch at times.
- Cloke, Houlihan and Fisher were super up forward. Straight kicking!!!
- Didn't think Thornton was as bad on Bradshaw as people say. Bradshaw scored two goals from the boundary line, got that ridiculous free kick from the boundary throw in, was hit on the tit by a sensational pass from McGrath and got two others that I can''t immediately recall. It was the right move to change the match ups but I didn't think there was a lot that could've been done about Bradshaw's goals.
- Have to mention Joey's mark too (along with Thornton and Bower's in the last quarter). That was brilliant.
- 10 wins for the year!
- And plenty of others that I won't mention now.

Cons
- That third quarter.
- Those two umpiring decisions (against Hammer and the push from Brown against Waite not paid) plus a litany of others. Big contenders for worst decisions of the year.

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Hey Cazz, you are repeating yourself. :P

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Pros: We WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Defence holding strong in the last ten minutes...
Kicking a big score with FEV...ola not kicking a bagfull...

Cons, not sure if it was the piss or the one eye talking, but though we were absolutely murdered by the clowns in yellow tonight. I am happy for someonje to correct em on this.l...


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Played by Julia Roberts

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Played by Mark Mitchell

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PROS: Grigg continues to get contested possesions(3rd behind Judd and Murphy) and clearances(2nd behind Judd). He has really had a great year, without the usual fanfare of the 3 number 1's. 8)

Bower beating Bradshaw one on one(twice in the last quarter) was an awesome site to see. The one where flower Dwayne Russell was carrying on about it just being dropped, Bower got a fist in there to just knock it to ground, even though Bradshaw had pushed him off the line of the ball. :-D

CONS:
I almost put my foot through the plasma when they paid that free against Hampson to Bradshaw

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Cazzesman wrote:
cj69 wrote:
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Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

















How about getting the facts straight!!

Where did I say Johnstone was injured?

Although there is no doubt he is a second rate onballer. I would certainly put Black, Power, Rischetelli, Brennan, Adcock, even Dalzeil ahead of him. He has been average this year and was dropped not long ago. If any of the others were tagging him I would of asked the same question.

As I said, JR did a good job on him, but Johnstone is poor defensively and Russell certainly didn't hurt them in attack.

Maybe some people are right, we may be trying to pump up his value?

I'm happy just to enjoy the win! :-D


You are right that Johnstone is poor defensively. Everyone knows that but he certainly hurts teams being a front runner. He sets up goals and occasionally kicks them. Jordy stopped him doing either tonight and had him benched regularly because he had no impact.

I don't give flying fig what you think about Johnstone as an onballer in the Lions team but the fact is the MC thought he was a danger and his past 2 games against the Blues have proved it. Previously he has torn us to bits offensively. JR was given the role to shut him down and he destroyed him tonight.

Thems the facts, no matter how you, Keogh and Jarusa want to spin it.

Next week might be different but this week give credit where it is due.

Regards Cazzesman





Cazzeman,

You have to tag Trav becausehis like our number 24. You show him no respect he becomes a match winner.

But leopards spots

Trav is soft and doesnt work hard enough at the contest.

Well done to Russell


But Russell aint smart enough to be a forward

If he is to make it it is as a tagger.

And he needs to become better offensively like Ling has

Hows that for an unbiased report.

By the way Cazzeman when Trav destroyed us early in the year who was his opponent for a while?


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Jarusa wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
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- JR's tag on TJ. Waste of a player. Johnstone is an outside player, he was started on the bench, they were not kicking the ball anywhere near him, would have barely played 50% of the game. A waste of a tag. JR did barely OK, turned it over roughly as many times as moving it on.


Hey stats man can you please tell me the Stats for Johnstone the last 2 times we have played BL and how much we have lost by each time.

Regards Cazzesman


Can you pleae tell me Johnston's stats for last week, and how much game time he had?

Can you tell me whether you rate Johnstone at all? I don't.

I thought it was a waste to have a tag on a player that was only played for 50-60% of the game and has not been a prime mover for them over the last 5 or 6 weeks? That just seems silly.




You may not rate Johnstone Jars but very few coaches let him go untagged. He cuts teams to pieces when he has time and space.
As for his recent form, it was only 2 weeks ago that he had 28 disposals and one of their best. :?

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Can we for God sake move on from bagging JR and whether or not he did his job on a player that was either injured, dying or a Stevo clone.

FFS - move on people.

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Our fight back ability in the 4th quarter whilst limiting the opposition to one or two points. We totally shut them down when we are on song.

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You see JR just has to look at a Sherrin and some people here will 'cream their dacks' as you so eloquently put it.

JR gets a lot of criticism that is over the top and frankly unfair, but he also gets a legion of sycophants who overplay evry tiny thing he may do on the footy field to the nth degree.Both sides areas bad as each other.


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