R21: Brisbane v Carlton (prematch discussion/team pg4)

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:24 pm

budzy wrote:

Austin Bower Anderson ...

Now, that's a great looking HB line.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:41 pm

TheSwan wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

cj69 wrote:

TheSwan wrote:

cj69 wrote:

keogh wrote:

I have never seen Thornton kick it over 50 m. He gives a good contest when he is next to his opponent.
But you need to do more now as a defender(run,carry and kick it forwards)
Thornton isnt capable of doing it

He has been ordinary the last 2 weeks

he is lucky to be playing and Austin is extremley unlucky given his efforts against North Ballarat

I would of picked Austin to play on Brown this week (replacing Thornton) and Pfieffer to replace Russell. I would of also changed Hadley for Fisher but probably needs another run. Add that to the ins of Bower and Houlihan and reckon its a pretty handy side.

I thought our tanking days were over?!!?..

Putting Austin on Brown would almost end the young mans career.
Waite is the only man available who may be able to do a decent job.

Can't agree Swann.

I think Austin would do okay. Even if beaten he would get something out of it. Even the best get beaten. Waite isn't the person for me, he isn't a body person and needs to run free. Since Austin isn't even selected I believe Walker is our best option and should be given a go.

I don't think Waite is our best option on Brown; it has been proven to be the case. Austin would nearly have just as much chance on him. Both too light on in weight and strength. Where's Setanta when you need him...oh well, we're not playing finals, so it's not critical.

Well if it's not critical, then put Jamo in for surgery, and try Aisake on Brown.

I still have to disagree with you guys.

Forget weight and strength. No one on our list (not even Setanta) can match it with Brown. Austin has not even played 10 games and although I think one day he may be a good player, he has not shown much at this level. Brown would be way to smart and powerful. Austin would be destroyed to pulp. Imagine Brown v Austin one one deep in attack (you can guarantee Brown would take him there) and tell me honestly you think he would do a better job than Waite. I just don't see it.

I stick by Waite being our best option closely followed by Jamo. Don't forget what a hiding our midfield took when Brown kicked 10 last time at the Gabba. No one would have stopped that.

I do like that you have so much faith in Austin. I hope he turns out to be a great player!

Swanny, no one can match Brown; that's a given. But they can minimise the damage.

Don't dismiss weight and strength as key factors in the brown battle, or if you do, its to your peril. Brown is a tank.

Waite was a rag doll against Brown...remember 10 goals????
Setanta quelled the fury and antoagonised Brown without fear.
Of all the players we have tried on Brown, Setanta has had the most success; it's been proven, so don't dismiss it.

No way Waite is the man for Brown. What do you expect to happen body abainst body? And don't forget as you said, you can't play loose on Browne because

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Brown would be way to smart and powerful

TheSwan · **Joined:** Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:37 pm **Posts:** 1932

bondiblue wrote:

TheSwan wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

cj69 wrote:

TheSwan wrote:

cj69 wrote:

keogh wrote:

I have never seen Thornton kick it over 50 m. He gives a good contest when he is next to his opponent.
But you need to do more now as a defender(run,carry and kick it forwards)
Thornton isnt capable of doing it

He has been ordinary the last 2 weeks

he is lucky to be playing and Austin is extremley unlucky given his efforts against North Ballarat

I would of picked Austin to play on Brown this week (replacing Thornton) and Pfieffer to replace Russell. I would of also changed Hadley for Fisher but probably needs another run. Add that to the ins of Bower and Houlihan and reckon its a pretty handy side.

I thought our tanking days were over?!!?..

Putting Austin on Brown would almost end the young mans career.
Waite is the only man available who may be able to do a decent job.

Can't agree Swann.

I think Austin would do okay. Even if beaten he would get something out of it. Even the best get beaten. Waite isn't the person for me, he isn't a body person and needs to run free. Since Austin isn't even selected I believe Walker is our best option and should be given a go.

I don't think Waite is our best option on Brown; it has been proven to be the case. Austin would nearly have just as much chance on him. Both too light on in weight and strength. Where's Setanta when you need him...oh well, we're not playing finals, so it's not critical.

Well if it's not critical, then put Jamo in for surgery, and try Aisake on Brown.

I still have to disagree with you guys.

Forget weight and strength. No one on our list (not even Setanta) can match it with Brown. Austin has not even played 10 games and although I think one day he may be a good player, he has not shown much at this level. Brown would be way to smart and powerful. Austin would be destroyed to pulp. Imagine Brown v Austin one one deep in attack (you can guarantee Brown would take him there) and tell me honestly you think he would do a better job than Waite. I just don't see it.

I stick by Waite being our best option closely followed by Jamo. Don't forget what a hiding our midfield took when Brown kicked 10 last time at the Gabba. No one would have stopped that.

I do like that you have so much faith in Austin. I hope he turns out to be a great player!

Swanny, no one can match Brown; that's a given. But they can minimise the damage.

Don't dismiss weight and strength as key factors in the brown battle, or if you do, its to your peril. Brown is a tank.

Waite was a rag doll against Brown...remember 10 goals????
Setanta quelled the fury and antoagonised Brown without fear.
Of all the players we have tried on Brown, Setanta has had the most success; it's been proven, so don't dismiss it.

No way Waite is the man for Brown. What do you expect to happen body abainst body? And don't forget as you said, you can't play loose on Browne because

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Brown would be way to smart and powerful

I don't dismiss weight and strength but put those aside, no one can match it with Brown in the other aspects of the game.

I expect Brown to still beat Waite body on body. My point was that Waite is
a better option than Austin.

O'Hailpin is out injured. If he was fit and ready to go then maybe I would think twice about him being our best option. As it stands, Waite is the way to go, even if he gets smashed. You can try Walker and Jamo (plays well on Bradshaw) but I think its going to come down to a team effort.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:56 pm

TianaCon wrote:

Another question.

How many on TC have actually played footy at AFL level?

Cos I haven't. But those on the MC have (all of em) & I would be pretty confident in backing their judgement as to what is required.

Who are you going to take advice from? A real lawyer (for instance) or some bloke standing next to you at the bbq giving you his 2 cents worth?

POW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards Cazzesman

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:01 am

Blue Vain wrote:

Who in the team has the required attitude, training form, the ability to follow instructions and perform designated roles etc? Who is a team player and who can accept criticism without sooking up and being a destructive influence?
Who can play only one role in the team and who struggles to understand set plays and their role at stoppages? Who is carrying an injury and who struggles to perform with the slightest niggle? Who has been diligent in their rehab and who is taking shortcuts and leading others astray?

Those criteria are all important factors in the make up of a team yet they are the questions that only the MC would have the answers to.
By all means have an opinion on selection but lets also realise that the MC are armed with far more knowledge than the average punter.

I would suggest that if anyone "deserved" a game, they would be getting one!

Perhaps I was abit hasty....................

then again make it a dead heat for POW!!!!!! :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

klakker · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:27 am

I like the team . Would have had Pfiefer in for Russell , but we all know that's not possible . Blackwell and Jackson have chances in the past and have proved to be nothing more than good VFL players . Austin could not possibly match it with Brown at this stage . He needs another year of body building and VFL football before he wil have much impact in the big time . Aisake obviously hasn't done enough . What we need is Setanta fit and up against Brown , but not possible of course . I hope this trip to Germany is a success for him and he comes back for a big pre-season and huge 2009 . We need him !!!

mjonc · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:25 am

I would of liked to see Austin get a run on Brown, I guess he might get a chance over pre-season or not?

Wouldn't mind Bower going to Brown to start with. Won't have the strength but has the ability to spoil from anywhere and closing speed with Waite to help at third man up in wrestles.

Brown is carrying and injury so I don't beleive he will be as mobile which IMO is where he is most dangerous.

Jamo gets to play with his bunny again.

Stop TJ, Black and Power, Run Gibbs with TJ.

I have no doubt if we get off to a strong start we can win. We need like always someone to stand up in the FWD 50 to kick goals with Fev, Hoops time has arrived as a F50 target, he has everything we've lacked with his polish and skill inside 50 and with Eddie out the ability to crumb. Hoops is also a strong mark for his size.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

Cazzesman wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Who in the team has the required attitude, training form, the ability to follow instructions and perform designated roles etc? Who is a team player and who can accept criticism without sooking up and being a destructive influence?
Who can play only one role in the team and who struggles to understand set plays and their role at stoppages? Who is carrying an injury and who struggles to perform with the slightest niggle? Who has been diligent in their rehab and who is taking shortcuts and leading others astray?

Those criteria are all important factors in the make up of a team yet they are the questions that only the MC would have the answers to.
By all means have an opinion on selection but lets also realise that the MC are armed with far more knowledge than the average punter.

I would suggest that if anyone "deserved" a game, they would be getting one!

Perhaps I was abit hasty....................

then again make it a dead heat for POW!!!!!! :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

Fev would not be playing based on a fair bit of that criteria and you don't have to be on the MC to see it.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:30 am

Were allowed to watch the footy not talk about or have opinions cos weve never played AFL footy....

:lol:

Maybe noone should watch it cos they wouldnt understand it cos they have never played AFL footy????

Get real!!!.... thats just the most stupid thing ive ever heard in my life.. almost....

Hey..,.. noone knows anything cos youve never played AFL footy....

Lets just ask Karl Norman whats going on... cos hes played..10 odd games??

Look i think some people are just silly buggers!!!

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:57 am

Waite is the only real option for Brown, unless you're going to try Cloke on him.

Body strength counts for everything. Brown will just hold Austin or Bower off until the ball is within 5m then push off them to mark.

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

woof wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Who in the team has the required attitude, training form, the ability to follow instructions and perform designated roles etc? Who is a team player and who can accept criticism without sooking up and being a destructive influence?
Who can play only one role in the team and who struggles to understand set plays and their role at stoppages? Who is carrying an injury and who struggles to perform with the slightest niggle? Who has been diligent in their rehab and who is taking shortcuts and leading others astray?

Those criteria are all important factors in the make up of a team yet they are the questions that only the MC would have the answers to.
By all means have an opinion on selection but lets also realise that the MC are armed with far more knowledge than the average punter.

I would suggest that if anyone "deserved" a game, they would be getting one!

Perhaps I was abit hasty....................

then again make it a dead heat for POW!!!!!! :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

Fev would not be playing based on a fair bit of that criteria and you don't have to be on the MC to see it.

Now that's POW!!!!

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

Synbad wrote:

Were allowed to watch the footy not talk about or have opinions cos weve never played AFL footy....

:lol:

Maybe noone should watch it cos they wouldnt understand it cos they have never played AFL footy????

Get real!!!.... thats just the most stupid thing ive ever heard in my life.. almost....

Hey..,.. noone knows anything cos youve never played AFL footy....

Lets just ask Karl Norman whats going on... cos hes played..10 odd games??

Look i think some people are just silly buggers!!!

Perhaps I was abit hasty....................

then again make it a dead heat for POW!!!!!!

:-D

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:34 am

Find your own Comedy Schtick. :wink:

Still.....they say Impersonation is the highest form of flattery so I guess I should just say....'Thanks'.

Regards Cazzesman

TianaCon · **Joined:** Fri May 23, 2008 11:47 am **Posts:** 651

As I've stated before, I'm happy with this weeks selections for the Brisbane game & am more than willing to trust the MC have got it right, until I see otherwise. They may not have all the facts as I have stated (probably incorrectly) before, but they sure as hell have more info than we do.

I understand ppls frustration at not seeing their "favs" trotted out & beleve me when you cut to it that's what ppl are frustrated about. Not seeing their "boys" out there instead of the boys they are not so "fond" of, or who they think don't have "it". Again, what makes others more of an expert than the MC, who know more about playing "AFL" footy (not some backyad comp like the VFL or reserves) than we will ever do.

Will the MC get it wrong on occasions? Sure will. Live & deal with it imo.

As some have already stated, we are playing kids & are the youngest side in the competition. The problem for some quite plainly appears to be that we are not playing the "kids" you want to see. Again, bad luck. Build a bridge & get over it.

IMO if anyone, who has not played or coached at AFL level like the MC have, believe they know better, all I have to say is you are kidding yourselves.

Having said all that, this is a forum for "opinions" so let those "crazy" theories keep coming. :-D

Go the Blues.

Oh & Synbad, where in these pages is it said ppl are not "allowed" to post their opinions on AFL footy beacuse you haven't played the game at that level? That is close to the most stupid thing I've heard. Almost. Simply put, my point is why do ppl expect their opinions are better than the MC, when they have very little or no "experience" in that field.

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

Cazzesman wrote:

Find your own Comedy Schtick. :wink:

Still.....they say Impersonation is the highest form of flattery so I guess I should just say....'Thanks'.

Regards Cazzesman

Rucci15 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:14 am

I know this is a forum and a forum is all about people having their opinions but i am sick of people bagging the match committee. There is a reason they are on the match committee and your not.

As for people bagging Thornton, this is unbelievable. Now that we have some young developing backs people seem to forget that 3 years ago Thornton battled his arse off in defence for us with no help what so ever, and now cos he has had a couple of bad games he is getting bagged and people wanting him dropped.

All those AIsake lovers should just chill out. I would love to see the kid succeed because i love Carlos and if he is anything like him i will be happy. But with all the reports on him which clearly state he struggles to get a game in the Bullants seniors and when he plays reserves he doesnt even dominate, why the hell should he get picked. This is not country footy, players need to earn a spot.

As for this week i like the ins. Houlihan as a crumbing forward and i love Bower he is going to be a gun. As for Austin i love him too and i reckon he is set for a big 2009.

Anyway enuf from me, hope we go well this week. Enjoy your weekend guys.

GO THE BLUES

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:33 am

Most including MC agree we want to spread the goal kicking load on the foward line. I hope Houla gets the message as most times he kicks it to his great buddy Fev, albeit often very well. Let's hope he delivers it just as well to others.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:37 am

CarltonClem wrote:

p(12)terg wrote:

TianaCon wrote:

Who are you going to take advice from? A real lawyer (for instance) or some bloke standing next to you at the bbq giving you his 2 cents worth?

Only if that lawyer is a member of TC :wink:

The lawyer probably wouldn't give any legal advice over a bbq.

You're more of a candle lit dinner kind of guy aren't you Clem.

Micka1988 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:24 am

Has the Carlton-Hawthorn game been moved from the Dump to the MCG? Or was this only a request from ratts or whoever bought the topic up?

bax · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:56 am

I don’t understand why some are having hissy fits over this week’s selections.

A quick break down shows this,

2005 Draft – Murphy and Bower playing

2006 Draft – Gibbs, Hampson and Grigg playing

2007 Draft – Kruezer, Browne and Armfield playing.

That’s pretty much all selections from the last 3 drafts playing this week, save for poor Josh who got traded.

Austin will get his chance next year, he’ll be a beauty I think. Funny how perceptions change when some wanted his head at the start of the year.

Someone suggested we should have brought in Joseph, he’s on the rookie list and hasn’t been promoted for flowers sake. Just goes to show some fingers are faster than the brain here.

Some just can’t see the forest through the trees.

R21: Brisbane v Carlton (prematch discussion/team pg4)

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