A case of pulling AW into line rather than crucifing him.....no one injured,no booze, drugs or killers in the car so lets not be too quick to condem him.
He is still a young fella and the club and his father I'm sure will have a quiet word in his ear, lay down the law and everyone can move on....I wouldnt expect him to re offend...

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Have sat in court many times and heard Licence suspensions handed down. It is made clear that it is effecetive immediately. Andrews lawyer should have also made sure his client knew as well. No excuse for what he did. However the punishment suited the offence.

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I think you missed my point Camel

It's not a "defence" at all. All I was intending to do with that statement was to encourage people to think about any indescretions that they (or people close to them) have made in the past which they have accepted, before taking the moral high ground on the issue.

I, for instance know a guy who lost his licence for 28 days for too many demerit points (mostly speed cameras). He is a tradesman and needs his licence at work. After 2 weeks of getting rides to and from work with an apprentice and his wife, his boss tells him that unless he can come to work and drive while he is there, then he doesn't have a job. So he drives for 2 weeks while suspended, and never gets pulled over in that time.

Now, what he did was stupid. But I understand why he did it, and I accepted it. Now, wouldn't that make me a hypocrite if I was to say AW was a flowering moron who was risking the lives of others on the road by continuing to drive? Most likely. All I'm saying is that we should have a look in our own back yards before jumping on our high horses and passing judgements on AW's actions.

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What!! Completely disagree, 8 out of the 10 cars I pass everyday are going faster then the limit already.

Besides *Yawn* have a look at Thornton’s record...

Maybe players ARE playing like they drive. Thornton likes to drive fast straight then for some reason take a sharp right or left randomly.

I.e. against the Roo's he grabbed the ball at FB and charge straight into the guts at almost full pace then kicked sideways....?

Walks likes to get airborne and bounce off objects and leave a nice fresh rubber mark on opponents he has burned

Ackland is a Kombi, Big slow no arms or legs to speak of to use effectively but just gets around

I haven't missed the point at all. I understand exactly what you're saying. For example, you're saying your mate is unable to accept responsibility for his own actions.

I'm not taking the moral high ground--I can't because I have had plenty of speeding fines in my time--but whenever I have got one I've never sooked about it, because, ultimately I was in control of whether I was speeding or not. If I choose to keep nudging past the limit and I get caught, well, sorry, but I have to wear the consequences, no matter how big or small.

Driving without a licence would have to be one of the most uneducated risks anyone can take on the road. If it goes pear shaped the consequences are much, much worse than getting your photo taken for a minor speed limit infringement.

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AW is a young bloke and he will cop it on the chin. The punishment looked to be sensible enough.

He'll be back doing circle work at DOA's place over summer before you know it.

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When Andrew starts exhibiting recidivist and recalcitrant behaviour like a certain other AFL player who exhibited this type of behaviour only too recently then we can start down the road to Golgotha - until then "done and dusted"

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Having had my licence summarily suspended for 30 days (for speeding) when being pulled over by police with a radar .

I can say it is somewhat confusing - there is some fine print on the infringement notice that you have to hand your licence back to Vicroads in 28 days.

Most of my friends, acquaintences and colleagues told me not to bother and that they had not handed their licence in under similar circumstances - that type of behaviour from normal well educated people astounded me.

You also get no follow up letter from the Police or Vicroads saying to hand your licence in.

In anycase I handed my licence in (it was a day early but the bitch on the counter didnt tell me that she just took it ) so I actually suspended myself 1 more day than I should have been.

The licence was posted back to me by Vicroads at the appointed time.

Having a neighbour who is a Senior Sargeant in the Traffic Operations Group - he says he spends most of his day in the car just keying number plates into the computer and if one comes up "licence suspended" as it often does he says he really starts to enjoys himself. Having said that those of us who enjoy driving company cars registered to their companies have a distinct advantage if trying to drive whilst their licence is under suspension.

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Let me get this straight..... 8 out of the 10 cars you PASS are breaking the speed limit. So in passing them you must really be hammering !!! We need to get a message out to those other 2 grannies in the Toyota Crowns to lift their game when you are out for a fang and make a real race of it!!!

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That's gold 2nd!!!! Good get....

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Agree. "SWISH", nothin but net!

Oh & to tommi, buzz & Mandy, make that 4

(deporable i know but i was young & drunk at the time)

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Firstly Camel, let me get this straight: I wasn't targeting my previous post at you in particular, I was putting it out there for everyone to read before they commented on AW's case. In your case, that's fine, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

In my opinion, I think these cases can be blown out of all proportion. All I was trying to say was that people should consider things that they (or those close to them) have done in the past - which they consider harmless or insignificant, despite the fact they are illegal and/or risky - before flying off the handle at AW.



I don't necessarily agree with that statement. The risk is to the individual more than anyone when driving unlicenced. eg voiding insurance, lawsuits, jail terms, fines. etc. Taking risks by drink driving, dangerous driving, excessive speeding etc. are far more serious in that you can threaten the lives and safety of other road users as well as your own.

It is impossible to prove that just because someone has had their licence suspended that they are more of a risk on the road than anyone else, however actions like those I have mentioned above can and have been proven before.

He has made the mistake, and he has been punished for it. Done and dusted. It's really not worth hauling him over hot coals for it.......






I have already forgiven him.

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Hmmmm... I was told Sunday that Swan is very pissed off with Andrew atm and even thinking about using him as trade bait. I did not believe it, but in light of this.... hmmmmm.....

Hey come on you missed what I was referring to, KK said speed cameras are revenue raisers and not safety options.. I disagree

Im glad someone understood me being sarcastic. maybe...

Let me break it down for you.

Yes I have to speed to feel safe on the roads as the normal people who do the speed limit are actually dangerous. Melbourne drivers in general like to go 5-10km above the speed limit regardless, like Ive been saying all along since ive moved here and drove around, the speed limit is something of an advisement of the slowest possible speed you can do in that spot. thats the mentality and I hate excessive lane hoppers. FFS it isnt Sandown everywhere.

But I got done for unreg car the other day and the police man INFORMED me i couldnt drive etc. But when I told him I couldnt get home any other way he told me this.. not word for word but close..

Jimmy - "So can you give me a lift home then I have no way of getting home if im no longer allowed to drive?"

Police - "I understand that and I know you have no other way of getting home, fact of the matter is you are not allowed to drive anymore effective immediately until this car is registered.... however we are going to get in the car now and when we are out of view you can drive home"

Jimmy - "So im allowed to drive home then"

Police - "Your not listening to me, when we get inte car and drive off and out of view, you can drive home"

Double standards much ?

Then I got done going through a red light (car still unregistered at the time) and they said the same thing again. But this isnt about me or my stupidites and I have $1400 dollar fine plus minus 3 points plus rego lol to pay off. Next month..

Man if only i had a tape recorder. So i understand why walks would say stuff like that in court and drive to court.

Fair enough.


Those aren't uneducated risks, they're just @#$%&! stupid, but I agree with your point that they are generally more dangerous than simply being unlicensed. Sadly, the combination of offences mentioned are often mixed together.

Thankfully not in AW's case however. I'm sure he has learned his lesson.

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Do we know why he lost his license in the first place?

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