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so Blackers as a run with :shock:

Bentick as a lead a HFF :shock:

Look I know you have written JR off, Duke, but obviously that's because what you want from him and what the MC want from him are 2 different things - until you understand that you'll just get more and more frustrated.

There are holes in our side

but adding Blackers, AB (much as I love him) or Pfieff(?) is not going to fix any of them.

Meanwhile how can we drop a chaser for three blokes who have no leg speed?

You do accept the game is faster now?

Maybe JR will not play 100 games for us but it will not be because of those 3 players.

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Browne is in his first year and done little wrong IMHO.....I'd be leaving him in the team to develop and learn.
He will be a good player for the club and I think he is your old fashioned type of footballer and compliments some of our other more athletic types.

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I don't understand what Browne does wrong with some of the people around here. He's had a great debut season, shows a real touch of class and poise, and deserves the games he has got. I also don't see much that he does wrong in games... some mistakes here and there, but after all, most people argue for guys like Austin, Hammer and co to be in the side because they'll learn from their mistakes. So what is the difference with Browne? The pass to Fev in the second quarter on Sunday was a ripper. I suspect he'll be a permanent fixture next year.


Love Browney, has done a colossal job in yr 1. But, like many first year players towards the end of yr 1, he looks to be running on empty, especially in the past 3-4 weeks. He's due a rest, IMO.

Eddie, Hadley, Houla and Co ready to come in, thankfully. Prefer the classier Hadley as our clearance "tackler/extractor" ahead of AB.

JR? I honestly think the MC too scared to drop him in the fear that he won't get a touch or make an impact for the Ants, either. How silly would they look?


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JR? I honestly think the MC too scared to drop him in the fear that he won't get a touch or make an impact for the Ants, either. How silly would they look?


Do you seriously think that any MC in discussing team selection for a last ditch finals attempt match would be thinking like that? I mean, really, get with the plot here. :wink:


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Molesey's post is the most sensible stuff I've seen in this thread.


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so Blackers as a run with :shock:

Bentick as a lead a HFF :shock:

Look I know you have written JR off, Duke, but obviously that's because what you want from him and what the MC want from him are 2 different things - until you understand that you'll just get more and more frustrated.

There are holes in our side

but adding Blackers, AB (much as I love him) or Pfieff(?) is not going to fix any of them.

Meanwhile how can we drop a chaser for three blokes who have no leg speed?

You do accept the game is faster now?

Maybe JR will not play 100 games for us but it will not be because of those 3 players.


DB, there are 18 positions on the field. AW can play forward as can Pfieffer. Wiggins (sorry....WIGGINS) can play back or up forward.

There are plenty of blokes who key roles without lightning leg speed. Like the guys who are top of the team lists in GA, I50, Tackles, CP, DE% etc etc.

I know how the game is played, but I also know that you still need footballers - if you can't read the play or make solid decisions quickly you have no place in today's game.

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Think I put this stuff in the wrong thread the other day.

Thought Ratts was seriously out-coached.

Once their midfield started getting on top of us, Laidley got his HFFs to start very deep near the goalsquare, which meant when their midfielders cleared the ball from the centre they could stroll through HF because we had no defenders there (because they had all been dragged to the goal square). That's why they scored so easily from clearances.

I also want to know why we allowed Harvey to start at HB unmanned. There were a number of ocassions where he was able to run off HB at the centre bounce, and then receive the ball from the likes of Simpson, Harris and Rawlings once they had won the clearance. Letting Harvey start unmanned like that was just textbook stuff.

And putting young Armfield on him was simply asking for trouble.

And then there's Saddington on Hale. He should have been taken off him much sooner than he was. Why not put a Hampson or Kreuzer onto Hale? They were the only ones who could match his size, and they need to learn to play defensive at some stage. Not doing this was tantamount to conceding the game such was Hale's influence on proceedings.

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JR? I honestly think the MC too scared to drop him in the fear that he won't get a touch or make an impact for the Ants, either. How silly would they look?


Do you seriously think that any MC in discussing team selection for a last ditch finals attempt match would be thinking like that? I mean, really, get with the plot here. :wink:


No. Can I retrospectively add 8) to the end of that sentence?

Back with the plot.


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great to have you back Synbad! Where the hell were you last week?


Do you mean when we had the default team?

I thought some of you would get your thrills with beating a team "that were arguing among themselves"?

Look we can be satisfied with beating the really shit teams or we can begin to take REAL steps forward...

We do have a few early picks on board now... we have the best midfielder in the country and the best forward.....

But can we kick the ball out at kick outs when a team has a coach trying to stop it (motivated to stop it).. or can we create forward options???

Week 20 already..... still thew same problems exist....


"The Big Sinner" has come in.Welcome big fella............flooding the guts,the half court press.I seem to have been ridiculed for daring to suggest such a thing "S".Uhm,havent footy coaches been exploring other codes such as basketball,soccer,rugby .They have only been gleaning info from outside for about minimum 30 years.........but then again,wise folks on this site just dont believe it.............tacticly speaking Syns,im prepared to cut Ratten plenty of slack.But the two Adelaide games and the Sydney games were mirror images of each other without a wimper from the box.I would sooner Ratten tried something and flopped than continually hitting your in EXACTLY the same spot..........and the funny thing is that the Roos dont play anything like the Swans or Crows.It was a game they had to win,so rather than play there normal game,they adopted the foolproof Crows and Sydney method knowing it was a near certainty to succeed.Paralysis in our coaching box would gift them a win.Worked perfectly to script...........im more than happy to give Ratts a fair go,but mate,do something,anything.Know one is gonna bag you for gambling if it doent come off.Gotta get inventive.
PS.......no way known im bagging Waite.He is the everywhere man.He must be dizzy.One of the real plusses for us this year.And he has got his once fragile temperament in check.



I agree. I started this thread and there is a complete misunderstanding that it was meant to indicate Ratten is a "bad coach". The point is he has to improve, especially in being proactive from the box. All the moves: mentioned here re Waite, Cloke, try a smaller forward line either don't happen or it is too late. I will say it again If we are going to be a top four
side Ratten has to be able to beat his direct opponent. Currently Roos, Craig, Laidley beat him every time.


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Blues Clues wrote:
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JR? I honestly think the MC too scared to drop him in the fear that he won't get a touch or make an impact for the Ants, either. How silly would they look?


Do you seriously think that any MC in discussing team selection for a last ditch finals attempt match would be thinking like that? I mean, really, get with the plot here. :wink:


No. Can I retrospectively add 8) to the end of that sentence?

Back with the plot.


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Michael Jezz wrote:
Currently Roos, Craig, Laidley beat him every time.


When these guys started do you think they had trouble with Sheedy, Pagan, Malthouse, Mathews and Eade.

The Song Remains the Same.

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Cazzesman wrote:
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The current MC are a vast improvement from their predecessors but you'd be in serious denial if you couldn't acknowledge the bewildering mistakes at team selection with the overrating of certain players.


Hit the reset button I think you are on 'repeat'.

Regards Cazzesman


Quality snipe. You're getting as good as those you criticize. :lol:


If repeating myself in general support of other youngsters getting equal opportunity in a development year annoys you, I apologise.


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Waite as a loose man has no idea?? I must have been at a different game...I thought he covered 3 or 4 blokes on many occasions and I lost count of the time he saved our ar$e


You lost count with how many times Waite saved our ar$e???

Ok we were smashed by a big score kicked against us....
We had a few players playing defensive roles.....


If Waite was ok as the loose man across half back..... how come we were scored so heavily against and we had a flood????

Waite isnt a natural reader of the ball.... what he can do is at times do the athletically incredible stuff....and its very eyecatching..... but he also creates some eye catching stuff ups...


While were on the defence how many times have a heap of our forwards gone up as one and come down as one on their backs only for the ball to hit the ground and an opposition forward to just waltz in and kick a goal???

Ok another one....
How many times have our defenders punched the ball back to an opposition forward ????

Defence 101....



Welcome back Synners, I thought I could smell crap in the air - after all you only come around after we have a crap game.

Before you start pointing the finger to Waite, perhaps you could look at Saddo who game so many one on one goals away or Thorton who can seem to puch without the slight touch of the opponents back or the entire midfield who seemed to let them get the ball away without being tackled.

Yet it seems that all this is Ratts fault because he is coach and to a point I agree with you, but it was very clear from his presser that the boys didn't follow the instructions that was given.

Do I think that Ratts is a great coach - No, do I think he can be a great coach - only time will tell, but right now he is the best person for the job.

Look back to the last couple years and you will see that Russel wanted to go home, Thorton wanted out and there were murmors about a couple others who wanted out as well, now I know that allot of people would say good riddens if they don't want to play for us then we don't wants them, but how many would be saying that when Hampson goes to GC17 and Gibbs goes home and Bower prefers the WA climate - I think you get the point.

The first and most important job that Ratts has done is to repair the team spirit that was torn to shreds last year and only after that has been completed can you start to work on tactics and strategies. I am prepared to give him some time to show what he is capable of, after all who cuts a player they draft after 1 year because they think they won't be up to it?


Steve ... how are you?
Suprised you can smell crap - i thought youd be immune to the smell.. haveing it as a mainstay all the time.

Why did i post this week and not last week???

I dont post on practice sessions anymore...

Should i have come on and said "We were unbelievable last week"?Dont think so.. Port are not a measure....
If youre aiming at the stars you dont look for worms....

Now as for Saddington... i dont even mention him cos everybody knows what i thought about his a) trade b) inclusion....
He is irellevant to us except hurting our growth each and every time he is picked.

Saddo is a lovely guy..... but he cant play AFL football unless he is chosen by a coach who believed that "Austin may have cost us a couple of games and we need some senior body experience".... which is just another laughable theory when that "senior body experience " is Saddington...

As for Waite... geez he is flashy isnt he?
He does some umazing things.....does nt he???

But then when he falls to the ground when he has to hold his feet in a contest..
or that really lazy disposal....
Or the fact he does all that undisciplined stuff at crucial time....

There are too sides to JW... his best is great.. his worst is woeful....

And no he isnt the smartest footballer out there.....

As for Ratts he is a couple of games like the North game away from taking us back to where we were....

The fact he is repairing Pagans damage 14 months in is laughable....
He needs to stamp himsel;f on the team with a sustainable gameplan.....

The rest is BULLSHYTE!!!!

......were becoming the new StKilda..... talent in the side.. but "next year... next year"

By the way,,,,,, do you think that his automatic choice of Russell is great on the morale of players who dont get given an opportunity????
Do you REALLY believe that by choosing Russell the players look for the open Russell or the 3 to 1 Fevola when were attcking???

And what do you think the spells for the psyche of the team????

A couple of players have been 'damaged' by his not even handed appraissal of where the players are at...
Some get the wax lyrical approach for very ordinary performances and some get told theyre not doing enough .... blah blah blah.. for a ripper game in the VFL...


Yes.... Ratts might be looking at selling off another early pick and a good young player for his answer.....
(Which makes it 2 top 20 picks in last years draft and JK and then we might be looking at a top 10 pick in a strong draft and a kid... maybe for Kerr....

So we have Kerr and Judd but lost FIVE 10 year players...

Now i dnt have a problem with Judd .. hes the best player in the comp and something we seriously lack.....but Kerr??... that smacks of desperation of a team who has NO confidence in its recruiting and NO confidence in its development and has NO answers on how to formulate a gameplan...

Now we know that Kerr will cost us HEAPS!!!.. we know that!!!.. not "we " as in us on TC.. but "we " as a club.. including CEOs coaches and MC....

Interesting to see what happens next.....

But having said all that..... if we could move the ball into our 50 with space... and link up out of defence with wthats considered a bloody good midfield by alot of people.. not very young either... middle aged in footy terms...

Why would we even be considering Kerr for a heavy premium???

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Molly wrote:
Molesey's post is the most sensible stuff I've seen in this thread.


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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!

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The current MC are a vast improvement from their predecessors but you'd be in serious denial if you couldn't acknowledge the bewildering mistakes at team selection with the overrating of certain players.


Hit the reset button I think you are on 'repeat'.

Regards Cazzesman


You're getting as good as those you criticize. :lol:




If I ever become like those you mention then I truly have lost perspective in life.

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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


"Yawn"

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Yes.... Ratts might be looking at selling off another early pick and a good young player for his answer.....
(Which makes it 2 top 20 picks in last years draft and JK and then we might be looking at a top 10 pick in a strong draft and a kid... maybe for Kerr....

So we have Kerr and Judd but lost FIVE 10 year players...

Now i dnt have a problem with Judd .. hes the best player in the comp and something we seriously lack.....but Kerr??... that smacks of desperation of a team who has NO confidence in its recruiting and NO confidence in its development and has NO answers on how to formulate a gameplan...

Now we know that Kerr will cost us HEAPS!!!.. we know that!!!.. not "we " as in us on TC.. but "we " as a club.. including CEOs coaches and MC....

Interesting to see what happens next.....


Always banging the same drum Sailor Man.

Ratts has stated no picks for players, but don't let that stop you from making the assumption if it helps your argument.

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Synbad wrote:
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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


By that reckoning, the below players are all arse watchers.
Brett Kirk
Domenic Cassisi
Jude Bolton
Lenny Hayes
Joel Corey
Luke Ball
James Kelly
Jimmy Bartel

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Synners,

you actually did have a problem with Judd. You stated at the time that you didn't want him, but that the recruiting decision wasn't up to you. If I could be bothered going back through TalkingJudd then I'd show it to you.

I should know, because I also didn't want Judd... so anybody wanting to dig it up doesn't need to embarrass me. But I'm not the one posting here that 'now I don't have a problem with Judd... he's the best player in the comp and something we seriously lack'. At the time you were against a Judd trade...


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