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On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


He has 4 games and 1 more year of credit. No finals next year and I don't need to tell you what the people with the realistic grasp of the situation will do.


Sounds a bit drastic mate.....we've already doubled our last Season win count.....we all would've been happy with 8 wins plus preseason.


In a very weak competition.. when just about every club is floundering....

Id have taken 7 wins before this season started... but as the season has unfolded we have seen a bunch of crap sides out there.....and i would imagine we should have gone by half...

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Blue Vain wrote:
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On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!

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Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!


Don't fear that Synbad. Its just something you have put in your own head. The chances of that happening are very slim.


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what would Warnock cost?

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Mickstar, if getting players young or old to do exactly what you want is that simple, we should have won zero games based upon your premise.

I think YOU are missing the point.
............You are absolutally correct Headplant.I am missing your point,Keep trying buddy coz i havent a clue what you are on about.Slow down,take a deep breath,and go about it one step at a time.



Sorry Mickstar, I'll try not to use such big words next time.

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Having left school at 14 i aint real educated i will agree H.Been fending for myself eversince..............funny thing though H,even an uneducated oaf like myself doesnt have trouble responding to an easybeat like yourself.A heavyweight you aint pal.


Not claiming to be a heavyweight Mickstar. Just find it funny you basicly implying Ratten doesn't know about our weaknesses, specially when as you say "everyone knows how to beat us".

It takes more than 9 months to educate a playing group.

Is that simple enough for you?
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


Youre talking about 13 years plus ago.. and the world has changed...Bob Hawke was still in office...petrol was about 30c to the litre..the draft and the salary cap were insignificant as was ist management to the degree it is... and you probably wore padded shoulders... acid wash jeans... and listened to Rick Springfields 'Jessies Girl'.. we were just coming out of a recession not sliding into one... and you wore a mullet on your head...you probably smoked winnie blues or malboro reds...and your cappuccino was scolding hot and very foamy....EON FM was still the station to tune into and Top Gun was the movie you were talking about...Youd think Ozzie Ostrich was grey in your black and white telly and youd have a moarinara with tomato sauce...Youd hang around with footballers at the Tunnel for a free drink...or maybe Cafe Venice...Youd think water beds were cool... and even more so if they had a built in clock radio.... youre living in the past!!!

:wink:

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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


Youre talking about 13 years plus ago.. and the world has changed...Bob Hawke was still in office...petrol was about 30c to the litre..the draft and the salary cap were insignificant as was ist management to the degree it is... and you probably wore padded shoulders... acid wash jeans... and listened to Rick Springfields 'Jessies Girl'.. we were just coming out of a recession not sliding into one... and you wore a mullet on your head...you probably smoked winnie blues or malboro reds...and your cappuccino was scolding hot and very foamy....EON FM was still the station to tune into and Top Gun was the movie you were talking about...Youd think Ozzie Ostrich was grey in your black and white telly and youd have a moarinara with tomato sauce...Youd hang around with footballers at the Tunnel for a free drink...or maybe Cafe Venice...Youd think water beds were cool... and even more so if they had a built in clock radio.... youre living in the past!!!

:wink:


Before cracking it with Ratts, Sailor Man, let's wait for him to be guilty of the act rather than persecuting him before the thought has taken root in his brain.

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DUC....Synbad's the one that keeps talking in the past.

Jessie's Girl?......WTF?

We're talking footy here.... :roll:

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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


Youre talking about 13 years plus ago.. and the world has changed...Bob Hawke was still in office...petrol was about 30c to the litre..the draft and the salary cap were insignificant as was ist management to the degree it is... and you probably wore padded shoulders... acid wash jeans... and listened to Rick Springfields 'Jessies Girl'.. we were just coming out of a recession not sliding into one... and you wore a mullet on your head...you probably smoked winnie blues or malboro reds...and your cappuccino was scolding hot and very foamy....EON FM was still the station to tune into and Top Gun was the movie you were talking about...Youd think Ozzie Ostrich was grey in your black and white telly and youd have a moarinara with tomato sauce...Youd hang around with footballers at the Tunnel for a free drink...or maybe Cafe Venice...Youd think water beds were cool... and even more so if they had a built in clock radio.... youre living in the past!!!

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13 years ago? :lol:


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verbs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


Youre talking about 13 years plus ago.. and the world has changed...Bob Hawke was still in office...petrol was about 30c to the litre..the draft and the salary cap were insignificant as was ist management to the degree it is... and you probably wore padded shoulders... acid wash jeans... and listened to Rick Springfields 'Jessies Girl'.. we were just coming out of a recession not sliding into one... and you wore a mullet on your head...you probably smoked winnie blues or malboro reds...and your cappuccino was scolding hot and very foamy....EON FM was still the station to tune into and Top Gun was the movie you were talking about...Youd think Ozzie Ostrich was grey in your black and white telly and youd have a moarinara with tomato sauce...Youd hang around with footballers at the Tunnel for a free drink...or maybe Cafe Venice...Youd think water beds were cool... and even more so if they had a built in clock radio.... youre living in the past!!!

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13 years ago? :lol:


How long ago????

Not....13 plus years ago???

wearing those acid wash jeans out verbs??? :wink:


DUC.. as soon as this season has been put to bed (4 weeks)... my guess... cough... is there will be one all mighty scramble for Kerr from us................. but not for Cousins................................................

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I'm not sure many people other than you were fascinated by all those things you mentioned when we won the big one in 1995.

Anyway, it's Jesse's Girl...it wasn't a lesbian song.


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I'm not sure many people other than you were fascinated by all those things you mentioned when we won the big one in 1995.

Anyway, it's Jesse's Girl...it wasn't a lesbian song.


How do you know it wasnt a missprint...

Starion cars were meant to be called Stallion cars back then but the Japanese accet to the badge manufacturer sounded like a 'Starion'....


Cant Rick be in love with a girl thats a lesbian????

I have a crush on Penny Wong FYI......

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I'm not sure many people other than you were fascinated by all those things you mentioned when we won the big one in 1995.

Anyway, it's Jesse's Girl...it wasn't a lesbian song.


Sorry verbs me old mate....but it's Jessie's Girl.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adaYUM5wl7c

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Warby wrote:
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I'm not sure many people other than you were fascinated by all those things you mentioned when we won the big one in 1995.

Anyway, it's Jesse's Girl...it wasn't a lesbian song.


Sorry verbs me old mate....but it's Jessie's Girl.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adaYUM5wl7c


Ah...if only you knew the basis for my comment.

It's an "in-joke" going back 27 years. :lol:


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If you sit around waiting for draft picks to mature you will wait a long time before you win a flag - You have to use the draft to create a base then trade to top it up - Ottens was significant last year - Ball was one of the main reasons Sydney won a few years back . West coast was chock full of talent as was Brissy . We are not there yet - not far away but not there - Some one like Kerr would put us very close and get a decent ruckman then its make room in the cabinet for another cup

If you can trade an ok player and a pick to top up your list with a gun or fill a gaping hole you have to do it . Draft picks are still speculative no matter how you look at it . We have done ok with are number 1's but so so with every other number . We are still relying on late picks and rookies to carry us over the line each week -

Judd - Murph- Gibbs - Kruez and Fev are five guns you really need 6 or 7 and two of them are still kids


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Synbad wrote:
verbs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
woof wrote:
On Saturday irrespective of what has happened in the past we should have beaten Adelaide. Whether you like it or not the buck stops with the coach.


Nah, the people who make the decisions and have a realistic grasp of the situation would understand better.
Ratts has plenty of credits in the bank.


I reckon Ratts will go outside to try and trade for players for us to improve....
I reckon a) either we have no faith in our drafting and development for sustained success
or b) we will go for easy solutions to improve.

My fear is this......

.. in ur rush for succeess... we will try to win a flag for Stevens and Fev but cost Kreuzer Murph and Gibbs....

ill SPEW if we trade off that first pick.. or Walker... or both..for short sightedness... let me tell you....!!!!!



If you has followed Carlton all your life then you will know thats exactly what they will do - It's the same formula that brought us 8 flags in 30 years .

If trading Walker meant we we going to secure a big gun - I would do it as already I think the No1's taken in 05,06,07 have passed the No2 taken in 03 and are a mile ahead on the No9 taken in 04


Youre talking about 13 years plus ago.. and the world has changed...Bob Hawke was still in office...petrol was about 30c to the litre..the draft and the salary cap were insignificant as was ist management to the degree it is... and you probably wore padded shoulders... acid wash jeans... and listened to Rick Springfields 'Jessies Girl'.. we were just coming out of a recession not sliding into one... and you wore a mullet on your head...you probably smoked winnie blues or malboro reds...and your cappuccino was scolding hot and very foamy....EON FM was still the station to tune into and Top Gun was the movie you were talking about...Youd think Ozzie Ostrich was grey in your black and white telly and youd have a moarinara with tomato sauce...Youd hang around with footballers at the Tunnel for a free drink...or maybe Cafe Venice...Youd think water beds were cool... and even more so if they had a built in clock radio.... youre living in the past!!!

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13 years ago? :lol:


How long ago????

Not....13 plus years ago???

wearing those acid wash jeans out verbs??? :wink:


DUC.. as soon as this season has been put to bed (4 weeks)... my guess... cough... is there will be one all mighty scramble for Kerr from us................. but not for Cousins................................................


Don't be so sure that we will scramble for Kerr.

There other bigger fish to fry than Kerr.

Kerr is garfish compared to other fishies in the sea.

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Headplant wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Headplant wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Mickstar, if getting players young or old to do exactly what you want is that simple, we should have won zero games based upon your premise.

I think YOU are missing the point.
............You are absolutally correct Headplant.I am missing your point,Keep trying buddy coz i havent a clue what you are on about.Slow down,take a deep breath,and go about it one step at a time.



Sorry Mickstar, I'll try not to use such big words next time.

:roll:


Having left school at 14 i aint real educated i will agree H.Been fending for myself eversince..............funny thing though H,even an uneducated oaf like myself doesnt have trouble responding to an easybeat like yourself.A heavyweight you aint pal.


Not claiming to be a heavyweight Mickstar. Just find it funny you basicly implying Ratten doesn't know about our weaknesses, specially when as you say "everyone knows how to beat us".

It takes more than 9 months to educate a playing group.

Is that simple enough for you?


Glad you are not claiming to be a heavyweight H .But you couldnt could you...............

Yep,it is simple enough for me.Simple as it is H,how come you cant get it ?
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If you sit around waiting for draft picks to mature you will wait a long time before you win a flag - You have to use the draft to create a base then trade to top it up - Ottens was significant last year - Ball was one of the main reasons Sydney won a few years back . West coast was chock full of talent as was Brissy . We are not there yet - not far away but not there - Some one like Kerr would put us very close and get a decent ruckman then its make room in the cabinet for another cup

If you can trade an ok player and a pick to top up your list with a gun or fill a gaping hole you have to do it . Draft picks are still speculative no matter how you look at it . We have done ok with are number 1's but so so with every other number . We are still relying on late picks and rookies to carry us over the line each week -

Judd - Murph- Gibbs - Kruez and Fev are five guns you really need 6 or 7 and two of them are still kids


That is if you actually think we are that close to a flag that we only need one player to go the next step. IMO it is very dangerous to think that why; if you do give up a lot for someone like Kerr and then someone gets injured or players lose form you are back to the pack and no where near a flag. You are also losing depth for one player.

IMO we still have a long way to go before we can challenge. I hope those in charge don't give up Walker and/or a first rounder for Kerr because they think we are close...hopefully we don't go back to the old Carlton way of quick fixes and instead keep developing our own.


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