Furthermore, do you think people should maybe remember their thoughts from the beginning of the season? I'd reckon that most people this year tipped us to finish between 8-11, beating the bottom teams, breaking even with those around us and maybe sneaking a win against some of those above us. No ten goal losses, heads not dropping as soon as we get 4 goals down, and youngsters being played consistently and allowed to settle. Our new draftees showing something. Pretty much all of this has happened.

We're far from the finished package, and it's a good thing that our expectations are much higher, but we are on our way up, and that shouldn't be obscured despite 2 narrow losses to 2 much more mature teams in the last 3 weeks.

Yeah, but I am sick of losing. Had enough of it.

we have come a long way - but that isn't Ratts

we haven't come far enough - that is Ratts

go figure

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Woah.... Help me tommi!!!

Everything's going around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Hey.........

can i post in this thread............?


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

you just can't coach in this thread

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We had seven players in their 1st or 2nd year of AFL footy: Armfield, Browne, Austin, Kreuzer, Grigg, Gibbs and Jamison.
Allowing for the fact that Betts got injured which effectively reduced our squad to 21 players - ONE THIRD OF OUR SQUAD against the Crows were "babies" in AFL terms.
And yet some people think we should have easily beaten the Crows on their home turf.....Get a grip!!!

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There is no footy god

Not disputing what you are saying Humpers and not a supporter of those who think we were out-coached BUT we were in a position yesterday to win the game, which is irrefutable.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

The facts are that we kicked 3.6 to their 1.3 in the last qtr......we slaughtered them everywhere but on the scoreboard.

Yeah.....I know bad kicking etc......but we had enough shots at goal in the last qtr. to bury them; but just couldn't quite do it.

We've improved out of sight this year; and we'll get even better.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

I think he has performed admirably in his first full season at AFL level
No doubt as an inexperienced coach he has been outcoached on occasions but will get better the more experienced he gets - we give players time to mature as players surely rookie coaches get some time as well to mature
Not sure losing to Crows at AAMI by 8 points necessarily qualifies as being outcoached
In any case Craig is one of the best coaches and Paul Roos seems to have trouble against him on a number of occasions over the years -does this mean last week Craig outcoached Roos or was it that Adelaide put a better team on the park last week than the Swans

Lets judge Ratts at the end of next year rather than 4 games from the end of first season as a coach

Only those who like to be seen as 'agenda setters'. It's been happening since April.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Why we lost:

1. We butchered the ball and missed goals we normally would kick. This is why we lost.

2. Adelaide flooded back and quadtriple teamed Fev. Fisher was great but is only a third option. WE NEED ANOTHER FORWARD. Waite needed/needs to play forward more. Can't keep expecting to make the change in the last quarter and win games.

3. We got murdered in the centre clearances. Our ruck structure/setup's is still not right. We need a ruckman and will only get better but I still feel our setups are wrong. Hadley is badly missed.

4. Disappointed with Thornton's output. Don't like to single anyone out but I thought his game was terrible.

9 shots to 4 in the last qtr. is why we lost.......we kicked badly.....simple.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

I agree... I think it's been great how compertitive we've been in every game except the Geelong game. Glass half empty for some people.

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Chris Judd: 'I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and realise pressure points are no laughing matter.'

Caz the only difference between your view and mine is there has hardly been a post on here in 12 months that has an open discussion about his coaching exposing his good and bad points. Look, this week and against the swans I M O, he didnt show the tactical nous of Craig or Roos. Whats the plan B when the opposition creates the wall across the backline, when you need a CHF? Whats the plan B in the ruck etc etc. My point was exactly the one made in your post, Ratten has to improve if we are to become a top side. He is far from the perfect coach but he only receives limited criticism on this forum.

On another issue I would like to see the day when an AFL coach can admit in a post match interview that he had a bad day in the box. I think Ratten had one of those.

You can't pull your socks up if you have none on.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Everyone in footy circles know how to beat the Blues.You just use an old basketball tactic.That is,apply a half court press.In other words,you flood the midfield rather than the backline.To beat this you have to be precise with your disposal coming out of the backline.Pinpoint accuracy is the key or you are outnumbered an get slaughtered by turnovers.Now we aint pinpoint accurate are we ? So,the other tactic used is by lateral or even backward movement and a quick surge forward.In other words,no fartarsing around.Transfer the ball and charge forward.All or nothing.The half court press WILL slaughter sides that dilly dally once they transfer the ball.Its common knowledge in footy circles how to beat the Blues Ratts,so best you update and get with the program buddy,coz its gonna be the same result over and over.

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All my dangerous friends

And....this incredible reaction to an 8 point Interstate loss.......

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Must have fluked them 8 games then.

We were very close to winning that game. You are right we need work on our foot passing as it has been poor but if it got better by 10% we would have one yesterday.

I reckon we struggle with the lockdown flooding teams. Syd , Crows and st kilda all got numbers back in our fwd line then bolted once we turned it over.

In time as we mature and get stronger physically and mentally and as a team we will get the 4 pts in games like yesterday.

I reckon Ratts knows what he is doing. If the joe blows like us on fansites see a problem i am sure Ratts and the coaching panel have and they have a hell of a lot more experience and information in front of them to work on solving the problem than any of us.

I like some of the decisions Ratts made that got us back into the game. I also think that Ratts is developing a game style and educating the players to play to that style at this stage is more important than giving up on it to scrounge out 4 pts. That will send the wrong message.

There is a big picture here and we have to stick with it and support the team and coach at least for a couple of years before we jump on the coach for not doing things the way we would.

A few on this site are trying to be cool and be first to bag the coach but that isnt the way to go in my opinion. Lets just give the team and the coaching team a chance to evolve.

Go Blues !

Incredible ? please explain Warbs.........

a reaction,but not an overaction.Get around the traps Warbs instead of your own little circle and you will find what i am stating is spot on.As i stated,its common knowledge in footy circles.I'' actually offer you the same advice Warbs,and that is to update and get with the program.

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