Great post which illustrates the importance of the perception of our club. It's impossible to imagine Collingwood or Essendon* playing boutique games, and the image of those clubs as powerhouses of the competition is reinforced by only playing in front of substantial audiences.

This gets back to why the MCG was the best option for our club, and I mean back in the early '90's when we were being urged to move there. It was wrong to redevelop Princes Park back then, just as it would be wrong to revert to playing there again now. Make no mistake, I've got fantastic memories of playing at the ground, but while it was appropriate for the '70's, it's not where we want to be now.

I agree we want to be playing at a ground that gives us maximum exposure, and maybe PP isnt going to offer us that.

I know there are plans to increase KP to around 50K, so what is wrong with the idea of doing the same at PP.

We surely could happily play to a 50k crowd against interstate teams and are not filling TD with those numbers at the mo.

Lets think big and give CFC the highest profile possible whilst also making big $$$. If we were to have a ground with capacity of 45-50K how awesome would that be.

We could play interstate teams there, and also lease it to the lower (not big 4 teams) too.

If the will is there, Im sure we could become the biggest club in the country. Lets not let the Cats get the biggest home ground advantage in Vic. and lets compete with WC/Crows for the biggest Membership numbers in the league.

Go blues!!!!

So now PP's going to be a 50K ground?

Didn't the AFL want a 25K ground?

Who's funding this new 50K ground? You won't find the AFL chipping in considering by the time it gets up the AFL will have just taken ownership of Telstra Dome and a new stadium of exactly the same size would be direct competition (which we'd lose considering the AFL set the draw).

So if we're funding it on our own are we putting up the $200 million necessary to convert it into a 50K stadium? Wow - the interest on that's going to be at least $20 million a year. Loose change I guess.

This is just crazy John Elliott fantasy shit based on some nostalgic desire to play at Princes Park.

The Pies seem to be doing okay with their current arrangements. Perhaps they'll shift some of their games to Victoria Park next year.

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Hold on a minute.... what is actually your point.. thats what i just asked... you havent answered what is your point but you asked me if i have anything to add... add to what???

Whats your point Surrey????

Surely you have one... can you spell out exactly what youre saying????
Cos youre saying "some people .. blah blah... i know.. "

What are some people who didnt have a vision miss.. and what is/was your vision exactly????

Im REALLY interested in this.... so please give us something relatively detailed...???

Cos you say alot but dont actually say anything...

So heres your chance... and remember... im going to ask you questions... so you better not be full of la la holes ok???

Heres your chance...

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You tell 'im Synners...

For the record if we were ever a chance to redevelop PP it would be now.....

.. but i very much doubt that Pratt all the corporates and a 40 k membership.... is about to do that....

.. all this talk about we should have stayed is like Tasmanians wanting a team.... its not going to happen.. it was never going to happen and it cant stand up in an increasingly professional money driven competition...

Sure there are some people in Tasmania with their moccaassins .. that hope they get an AFL side........... but it is not viable.....and not part of the big picture...

Same with la la landers thinking there is going to be a 35k totally redeveloped ground brought to modern standards ,... with carparking..in the middle of a residential area... .. right next door to two other stadiums... in a city thats generating 65,000 new citizens a year and with the Oakleigh area being the new geographical centre of the city...

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Yes yes we can have outr own Kardinia park too..... if we can just move to regional Victoria and get ourselves a state govt grant from a Premier that supports us and the regional city...

Surely some people understand that jam packing 23,000 into home games instead of getting 50,000 people into games is not healthy for long term growth???

Especially YOU pr9ncess park whitler... we just discussed that particular topinc this week...

Its easy to fall for the heart strings tugs.... thats the Elliott thing to do.... and thats why we have been declining and finaLLy catching up with the pack (Thanks to Pratt and his $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)... but noone is that stupid to go back to that small mindedness.. except the small minded ones...


As for Surrey being a visionary.. thats like wearing the same clothes for 20 years till the style is back in fashion...and then claiming to be a 'vsionary'...
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Anyway thats what else i wanted to add.. your turn with your points.. cos i still dont get what youre actually attepmpting to say..

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i went to pp yesterday. i had to wear a hard hat!
i don't know how people would take to having to wear hard hats to football.
might be good for filth supporters though.

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No one is talking about nostalgia, Im questioning the notion that CFC might have an opportunity to move forward in a dramatic way.

I have no interest in being right or wrong or playing one upmanship with ego's Im just throwing ideas around which may or may not work. Get off that horse mate.

If we are currently looking to do major redeveloments at PP NOW and the AFL seem to be pushing for an extra stadium, surely it would make better sense to explore the notion of being a major player in this.

As for funding the project well Im sure if the AFL were presented with an offer they may? consider it or maybe not.

The TD deal finishes in 2025 (Im not sure) does it not, so to think that PP would take that long is pretty silly, given that things are under way.

While it might be unpalatable, GWS is riding the right horse.

The funding levels required to change Princes Park into a 50K stadiun would be astronomical, be rejected by the Melbourne City Council after massive resident objections and is simply not what the AFL is looking to use in future. They want a 25K stadium which complements Telstra Dome, not competes with it.

It's not my horse.

This thing gets dragged up over and over and it's about as stupid as..

...something really, really stupid.

Right now the AFL is playing games with the management of the two current stadiums. They know they don't want a third stadium and if they did it wouldn't be done for the benefit of a single club.



...and I'm just telling you you're about the 3000th person to come up with exactly those ideas and there are a number of reasons they never got anywhere and there are a number of reasons they never will.

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Well, if Im wrong so be it, nostalgia has nothing to do with it. If it was an option I think we should explore it that's all.

You are far from wrong and there are a lot of Carlton supporters who think like you. Just because GWS disagrees with you, doesn't mean he should call it stupid for bringing it up. It is a grey area this one and people have different beliefs and each view is not stupid.

Good on you buddy for talking about it on Talking Carlton.

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Cheers Diamotism

yeah but youd finf that swann and all of pratts money wnt be able to have that thing built... and if ever youre going to build it.. now is the time... yet it wont get built... so there has to be something illogical uin thinking it will happen now....and not stating at pp in the past....(when we had even less money and clout)...

..... its pretty hard to believe people that are grown up can keep bringing stuff like this up time and time again.....

.... now im actually waiting for surrey to give me his "visionary ideas" ... because so far he hasnt really cougfhed them up... and ill ask him who is surrey expecting to not just organise it but foot the bill... cos as always that should be someone elses problem... the money.... the money should always be anothers problem...

... now for the whole geelong kardinia park thing... its actually ludicruous that anyone can compare the suburb of carlton in melbourne with a club like geelong in another city....
..... youd actually think that geelong is a suburb of melbourne......

...why dont we move to geelong and be the geelong cats sponsored by geelongs ford and have our own ground???

...or shouldnt regional victorians be allowed to have games played in geelong.... even though theyre based there????


can someone actually explain the logic where kardinia park keeps getting brought up by the la la landers??.... and that brian cook is a brain.....???....

geelong got govt assistance to keep some games in the country for obvious reasons.. which have nothing to do with carlton or any other club,.. theyre unique reasons because in geelong is a uniquely regional victorian club....

its actually frustrating to keep reading that kind of rubbish by grown ups....

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Didn't Brack, the then Premier of Victorian, and Geelong fan (and was No. 1 ticket holder) help with the funding from the taxpayer's purse.


Ah, the days of Sir Robert Menzies ...they were good for Carlton.

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Carlton's first choice was Cook. He must be doing something right if Pratty thinks he is OK to be at the Blues.

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I havent brought this up previously Synbad, and if Im correct this whole new stadium issue was raised during the CEO meeting just 4 days ago.

So by all means have your opinion and if your tired of discussing PP being anything more than what it has been over the last 4 years then just pass over it and shut the @#$%&! up.

You know whats more infantile then bringing up issues that have been raised before (not by me BTW)?

1. Thinking that your opinion is so important that you feel the need to belittle others.
2. Not being able to keep your mouth shut even if you've nothing of value to add.
3. Being an arrogant smart arse
4 AND that amazingly bad grammar that you call an attempt of laying down the law!!! I seriously have trouble understanding what you're on about.

Dont drink and post Synners, it's embarrassing!

So what youre saying is.........


......... everyone has known about the 2 extra teams for quite a while.. and only 4 days ago the CEOS and the AFL said "hold on... we need another stadium"?

Is that correct????




And i drink and post????

Funny.....



Most things have an ounce of logic in them.... dont you think???

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Don't make me bring out the strap lily & synbad...