Agree. We could of had it all. Modern boutique stadium, excellent training facilities/gym for players and the public, a community asset including cafes, bars etc for a variety of user groups and serviced by public transport.(Jewell station,trams and buses + ample parking and possible new train stn). A split of games between all 3 Melb venues would please all and give the AFL more flexibility re scheduling.
Instead we find a typical situation of bruised egos, retribution, minority groups holding too much power and a lack of vision.(AFL,local government and previous administrations)
A couple of mates and i go down to Geelong for 1 game each year and love it. The atmosphere is great and their supporters know how lucky they are to be playing at their home ground and whatsmore they are making a big profit for their club. The whole town is energized.
We should of had the same thing.

People are starting to see the light ... unfortunately, it's too late.
The silence of some is deafening.

Surrey... why dont you explain what that post actually means... im really interested....

You have a habit of making posts that dont actually mean anything...

For the sake of this exercise can you explain what it meant... Exactly???

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Welcome to the thread Synbad. Anything to add?

Revisionists, start your engines.

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Some are "visionaries" and "best for CFC" types while others are just in it "for themselves" and "live for the moment" types.
Over and out from me because I hate saying "I was right ... again".

Of course you were right.

Staying at PP was simply a matter of choosing to do so.

There were absolutely no outside factors to consider.

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We didn't have the right people leading the club to stay at PP.

BUT, if Swan and Dick were handling it then I am sure we could have set PP up to be profitable like KP.

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24115692-19742,00.html

looks as if PP is not going to be on the cards with our revamps happening


I wonder if we acted a bit quick on our facility upgrades

We'll really see how profitable Kardinia Park is when they are near the bottom of the ladder again.

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Just read that article and it shows that PP is finished and dusted as an AFL playing venue. It does seem that the AFL are bluffing the Dome.

If the AFL is not bluffing then this scenario could be likely:
We could play Fremantle at KP and earn $600,000.

The AFL are better off re-developing Punt Road and turning that into a 25 thousand seat stadium. It is close to train stations and parking.

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So we rebuild PP as a 25,000 seat stadium.

That's terrific next time the Dockers take on Melbourne but how the @#$%&! does that help us as a home ground?

Do we really want to see a future where 50,000 Carlton members have to fight to get into a ground with 25,000 seats?

Obviously not.

So if we're not going to play there are we simply using it as a real estate investment to lease out to other clubs?

In which case do we really want other clubs screwing up the best training surface in the country?

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+1

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WOH-ooooh...................

you just....BLEW my mind Gee Dubya.................!


kindest regards tommi

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Perhaps we could move back to our REAL home ground at Royal Park and start wearing chamois tipped jumpers too...

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Thats a little short sighted GWS. We would more than likely be scheduled to play against the interstate clubs there so 50,000 members aren`t all going to attend plus it would give a fortress effect.
What`s so wrong with gaining rent from other clubs? Makes sense to have other revenue sources.
As for the condition of the ground,there is a VFL game played there nearly every week,Melb Storm train on it and opposition clubs use it for pre season training and practice matches.
The more use it gets the better,its a fantastic venue.

What's the smallest crowd we've had so far this year?

What's that figure going to be when we're in the top four?










Fair dinkum...

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Turkish Proverb

GWS you must consider that when we play at the G or Dome that there are a lot people who don't add to the gate receipts. These people are medallion club holders, AFL members and MCC members and all the corporates. Just because we get a good crowd doesn't mean they are all Carlton supporters. There are people attending these games that don't give a rats toss bag (Thanks Blightey) about Carlton but just go and watch because they are members of another club outside of the Carlton Football Club.

Would you rather 25,000 Carlton supporters at PP and Carlton receives $600,000

OR

Would you rather 25,000 Carlton supporters + 15,000 MCC, Medallion, Corporates at the G or Dome and receive $100,000.

Look, I think PP is finished as an AFL venue and the above article has quoted Carlton saying as such. This issue is we are not getting a good deal at the Dome and it is great that the AFL are on our side on this one.

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And that's what it should be about. Debating what we might or might not earn at PP is a total waste of time. We should be looking at being a club that attracts 100,000 to every bloody game we play.

"Boutique" is a nice way of saying you don't have any supporters. I don't want our club to ever be a "boutique" club.

This is the most successful football club in the land and has 10% of AFL supporters identifying with it. A club with that sort of profile should be looking to maximise its exposure at all times. I said in the membership thread that the benefits of playing in front of large crowds on a regular basis was totally underestimated by those trying to keep us at PP a few years back. The reason I'm a Carlton supporter is because I was taken to a packed house at VFL park by my neighbours as a kid and watched Jezza stand on heads. Totally blew my father's sad little Demon event into another universe.

By all means get us a great deal at the G but we're a MAJOR club and we should be looking at being a MAJOR drawcard. You don't do that at a "boutique" stadium.

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Yeahhhh.............

boutique's where you buy dresses..................!

i don't want a dress.................do you want a dress
Gee Dubya...........?







nahhhh.............didn't think so........!


kindest regards tommi















anyone ELSE want a dress.................?

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